Why Still Mike Brown ?

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(08-18-2024, 07:05 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Yeah I was just wondering this. 404 million and the salary cap is 255 was 225 last year? When they got the 404.

(08-18-2024, 07:18 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: There are a ton of other costs associated with running an NFL franchise than simply "meeting the salary cap"..

That $404m is JUST National Revenue. It does not include local revenue.

The Packers for instance in 2022 they had $610m in revenue and in 2023 they had $654m in revenue. 

Unless they are using the team's revenue to prop up failing businesses or 8 divorces and 30 children, all of the NFL owners are absolutely raking in huge amounts of money. "Small market" is a load of BS myth.

[NUGDUKWE]

(08-18-2024, 07:18 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: There are a ton of other costs associated with running an NFL franchise than simply "meeting the salary cap"..

I know there are but do those costs exceed $149 million dollars? I also know the narrative in the past has been Mike Brown is a great business man. Shouldn't he be extremely wealthy regardless of market getting an influx of millions of dollars every year?

[*rfaulk34*]

(08-18-2024, 06:49 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Sure, they probably could go "all in" on two, maybe even 3 players. However, it takes 25 to fill a roster and 53 to make a complete team. Money needs to be distributed wisely. Not just in terms of cap, but in terms of team resources when it comes to cash pay out per season. I mean they just gave Joe B. a huge guaranteed deal last year, I'm not sure that they are in position to pay out another mostly guaranteed deal just yet. Small market dynamics matter.

Well, i'm just thinking...if you're gonna draw the line, draw it somewhere below Ja'Marr Chase. 

[*rfaulk34*]

Also, revenue sharing is an annual thing. 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/193560/revenue-multiple-of-national-football-league-teams-in-2010/#:~:text=The%20national%20revenue%20distribution%20of,dollars%20for%20the%20first%20time.

[THE PISTONS]

(08-18-2024, 06:49 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Sure, they probably could go "all in" on two, maybe even 3 players. However, it takes 25 to fill a roster and 53 to make a complete team. Money needs to be distributed wisely. Not just in terms of cap, but in terms of team resources when it comes to cash pay out per season. I mean they just gave Joe B. a huge guaranteed deal last year, I'm not sure that they are in position to pay out another mostly guaranteed deal just yet. Small market dynamics matter.

This.

These threads are basically a bunch of people saying the Bengals are cheap and pay Chase whatever, but you can't do that.

Chase is on a rookie deal. I doubt his production increases much. Maybe some. But his salary will triple.

AJ Green was great, until he was on a 2nd contract.

I think they should keep Chase, but you can't destroy your chances of winning to do it. 

[NUGDUKWE]

(08-18-2024, 09:16 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: This.

These threads are basically a bunch of people saying the Bengals are cheap and pay Chase whatever, but you can't do that.

Chase is on a rookie deal. I doubt his production increases much. Maybe some. But his salary will triple.

AJ Green was great, until he was on a 2nd contract.

I think they should keep Chase, but you can't destroy your chances of winning to do it. 

Extending him right now not only gives you more years to spread the cap hit out to work in your favor but deals are only going up. Sure a record contract right now seems huge but it will not be enough in a couple years.

[2MinutesHate]

(08-18-2024, 05:41 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Still waiting on your source. I listed mine, so stop saying you’re still waiting.

Never owned a business but I took classes on owning and operating businesses in college. I also have immediate family and friends that own businesses.

Have you ever owned a business? Please explain the relevance to this question.

I must have missed your link to your source.

Why would I need a source?  He's the owner and president of the Bengals.  Of course he has a say unless he medically cannot speak for himself.

And yes, I own a family business for 20 years with my father,.  So I guess I know a little bit about what Katie (who may or may not have ownership) might be going through. 


His age isn't a reason to dismiss him.  He still seems very sharp.  For better or worse. 

[BFritz21]

(08-18-2024, 09:50 PM)2MinutesHate Wrote: I must have missed your link to your source.

Why would I need a source?  He's the owner and president of the Bengals.  Of course he has a say unless he medically cannot speak for himself.

And yes, I own a family business for 20 years with my father,.  So I guess I know a little bit about what Katie (who may or may not have ownership) might be going through. 


His age isn't a reason to dismiss him.  He still seems very sharp.  For better or worse. 

Are you serious? Age isn't a reason to dismiss him? Lack of energy. Changing of the game. Changes in the way the business of the NFL operates.

And how often have you heard him to make an evaluation like he seems very sharp, because he has never made many public appearances. 

Per his own words:

Quote:"I don't travel well anymore," Brown said. "I don't fly well. I don't bus well. My family is all going up by bus together (to Canton) and we will be fully represented."

 

[Sled21]

(08-18-2024, 09:30 PM)NUGDUKWE Wrote: Extending him right now not only gives you more years to spread the cap hit out to work in your favor but deals are only going up. Sure a record contract right now seems huge but it will not be enough in a couple years.

Again, Chase has to be willing to sign. It appears more and more that he is the one wanting to wait out what several others are going to get. 

[Sled21]

(08-18-2024, 10:19 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: Are you serious? Age isn't a reason to dismiss him? Lack of energy. Changing of the game. Changes in the way the business of the NFL operates.

And how often have you heard him to make an evaluation like he seems very sharp, because he has never made many public appearances. 

Per his own words:

 

This whole conversation is ludicrous. The Bengals are not publicly owned, you can't "dismiss" the owner of the business. His daughter is not going to do that, nor are his Granddaughters. Truth be told, he won't even be around much longer. Until then, Mike is the owner of the Bengals. It's his team to do what he wishes with. 

[Bengalfan4life27c]

Chase might be the most talented at his position in entire NFL. This isn't a Bates or Tee thing while both are quality players neither is the generational talent that Chase has been will be. You as an organization generally want to keep players like this happy. Chase is like having our Munoz at the WR position.

[casear2727]

(08-19-2024, 10:32 AM)Sled21 Wrote: This whole conversation is ludicrous. The Bengals are not publicly owned, you can't "dismiss" the owner of the business. His daughter is not going to do that, nor are his Granddaughters. Truth be told, he won't even be around much longer. Until then, Mike is the owner of the Bengals. It's his team to do what he wishes with. 

This is true, Katie nor her daughters, can/should dismiss Mike.  I will do it for them for free. 

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(08-17-2024, 07:07 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yep. And I really like Chase, but when you have a top paid qb...it's already hard to build a roster. When you have the top paid WR too, that makes it extra hard.

Takes 2 to sign a contract. It's not as easy as just throwing out a fair deal and it being done.

Look at the huge deal Money Mac got. The Bengals are willing to pay guys.

Absolutely.

[kevin]

Chad Johnson says Chase will be signed this week.  We will see.  Chad Johnson is NOT the owner.  As everybody likes to point out, Mike Brown is the owner.

I do not agree with the post that if you pay Burrow you can't pay Chase and if you pay Chase you can't pay Burrow.  I say again that it would be stupid to have paid Burrow and not pay Chase. They go back to LSU college Championship and they have Timing and Chemistry that is rare.  Burrow knows exactly where Chase is going to cut and move and at what speed on the field, from so many reps to together over the years.  Burrow will not have that with any other WR.  Burrow to Chase is very hard to Defense.  This nonsense that you can not have a top QB and a top WR, that is super cheap Bengalized nonsense of years of accepting Mike Brown for 33 years as owner.  

I hope Chad Johnson is right.  I'll be fine with Mike Brown or whoever gets Chase signed.  Chad Johnson says it will mean no Higgins in 2025, that is fine, but at least have Burrow to Chase, and other WRS and TE's will step up. get open, catch passes for Bengals.  If Bengals are hoping to go back to Super Bowl, they don't need to tick off Chase with cheapness, so I hope Chad Johnson is right that Chase will be signed this week. Locking in both Burrow and Chase long term is something you can build a winning team around. 

 

[Soonerpeace]

(08-19-2024, 11:17 AM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Chase might be the most talented at his position in entire NFL. This isn't a Bates or Tee thing while both are quality players neither is the generational talent that Chase has been will be. You as an organization generally want to keep players like this happy. Chase is like having our Munoz at the WR position.

Love this ….plus if they don’t want to get on Joe’s bad side or Zac’s they’d better sign him. Burrow is smart enough to know they can’t sign Tee too.

[BFritz21]

(08-19-2024, 10:32 AM)Sled21 Wrote: This whole conversation is ludicrous. The Bengals are not publicly owned, you can't "dismiss" the owner of the business. His daughter is not going to do that, nor are his Granddaughters. Truth be told, he won't even be around much longer. Until then, Mike is the owner of the Bengals. It's his team to do what he wishes with. 

I provided with a link saying that he doesn't travel well or anything anymore but you think an 89 year old still has the energy and mindset to make all the decisions or make the day-to-day decisions but you think an 89-year-old runs a billion dollar organization?

[007BengalsFan]

(08-19-2024, 11:17 AM)Bengalfan4life27c Wrote: Chase might be the most talented at his position in entire NFL. This isn't a Bates or Tee thing while both are quality players neither is the generational talent that Chase has been will be. You as an organization generally want to keep players like this happy. Chase is like having our Munoz at the WR position.

Chase is a very good ballplayer but he isnt a generational talent.  There are several WRs in the NFL right now who are as good as if not better than Chase.

[2MinutesHate]

(08-19-2024, 04:49 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: I provided with a link saying that he doesn't travel well or anything anymore but you think an 89 year old still has the energy and mindset to make all the decisions or make the day-to-day decisions but you think an 89-year-old runs a billion dollar organization?

Chad Johnson's take on the negotiations.  Notice how he uses Mike Brown's name and not Katie's or Duke's?  I would think Chad has more insight than any of us here.   

https://www.essentiallysports.com/nfl-active-news-jamarr-chases-indefinite-holdout-threatens-to-derail-joe-burrows-cinderella-story-as-ex-nfler-chad-ochocinco-johnson-says-qb-will-force-cincinnati-bengals-to-pay-wr/

“I’m sure Joe Burrow will probably grow frustrated at some point not having his top receiver out there,” Johnson predicted. “I don’t think Joe Burrow would allow Mike [Brown] to do that. You understand how important Jamarr Chase is to the success of the Bengals.”

Those two (Katie & Duke) may craft the deals, but you can bet MFB gives the major decisions (like Burrow's/Chase's contracts) the thumbs up or thumbs down.  MFB doesn't need to do all the work anymore but the buck stops with him and always has.

[BFritz21]

(08-19-2024, 05:01 PM)2MinutesHate Wrote: Chad Johnson's take on the negotiations.  Notice how he uses Mike Brown's name and not Katie's or Duke's?  I would think Chad has more insight than any of us here.   

https://www.essentiallysports.com/nfl-active-news-jamarr-chases-indefinite-holdout-threatens-to-derail-joe-burrows-cinderella-story-as-ex-nfler-chad-ochocinco-johnson-says-qb-will-force-cincinnati-bengals-to-pay-wr/

“I’m sure Joe Burrow will probably grow frustrated at some point not having his top receiver out there,” Johnson predicted. “I don’t think Joe Burrow would allow Mike [Brown] to do that. You understand how important Jamarr Chase is to the success of the Bengals.”

Those two (Katie & Duke) may craft the deals, but you can bet MFB gives the major decisions (like Burrow's/Chase's contracts) the thumbs up or thumbs down.  MFB doesn't need to do all the work anymore but the buck stops with him and always has.

Thumbs up or thumbs down? You think he still has the knowledge of what's going on?

Furthermore, Chad hasn't been on the team in 15 years, but you think he knows what's going on in the front office?  

Even if he has the final say, you think he's going to say no? 

He was against a practice bubble for decades but you think he suddenly came up with the idea that it was a good idea? 

He may still be the GM in name but I'm pretty sure he's a puppet at this point. 

[BFritz21]

(08-19-2024, 05:00 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: Chase is a very good ballplayer but he isnt a generational talent.  There are several WRs in the NFL right now who are as good as if not better than Chase.

You seriously think Chase isn't a generational talent?

His rookie year, he was top four in receiving yards and third in receiving yards with Burrow not having any time to let him get in and out of his routes.