Has Chase peaked

[*rfaulk34*]

(7 hours ago)Essex Johnson Wrote: If you read my original post, I based it on after a great game  on 10/8 against Arizona, since then 12 games that Chase has played ( i took out last game of year since he just got in for a small amount is) so he has scored 3 TDs in those 12 games and averaged 68 yards.  The Tds are  down , the average yards is good but again not what we expect from a guy that is looking at being the highest paid player .   With a healthy Burrow and Washington and Carolina next two games, i think we have to expect better from Chase, if not then we really are low barring production from our top tier WR

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This is what you said, word for word. "I hope he starts playing to that level but you have to admit it has been a while since he put "elite" numbers together over a stretch of games"


Anyone can take a portion of any batch of numbers and make them look good or bad to fit their agenda. I simply took a portion of a batch that proves what you said is false.

[Whatever]

*shakes head*

Folks are focused on raw stats and not on where the stats come from.

I've heard names like Lamb and Hill invoked. Ceedee Lamb had 181 Targets last year. Hill 170. So, those guys are getting 10-11 passes thrown to them a game. Chase has 11 Targets in two games so far this year. If you're expecting Lamb/Hill production, then you're expecting him to be theoretically twice as good as those guys given the number of balls he sees a game. And Chase has a catch % of over 90% so far, so there's not a ton more he can he do with what he's being given.

Zac runs, hate to say it, a very passive passing scheme. He wants the QB to take what the defense gives him. He doesn't make much effort to try to "scheme guys open.". That passive system only works when you have the talent out there to take advantage. Looking at our other WR's, Yoshi has 10 Targets, is only catching 50% of them, and averages a pathetic 3.3 Yards/Target. Irwin has 8 Targets, a 25% catch %, and a sickening 1.8 Yards/Target. That's frankly pathetic. Neither is a starting NFL caliber WR. I doubt either could even make the roster of half the teams in the league. But they are getting significant looks in this offense.

[Mer]

So what happens when Higgins comes back and his numbers don't increase to where folks expect? Is it because he now has to share balls with Tee or is it "He's Peaked"?

Truthfully, I hope Tee comes back and Chase looks like the old Chase of 2-3 years ago, but I just don't think his head is in it with the contract on his mind. It's sad really. He's already a millionaire and is going to get paid eventually. An NFL career is so short and he's wasting games in the prime of his career (unless he's already peaked) worrying about something that is going to work itself out. Also, if I'm in the front office I'm not paying him big bucks if he continues his struggles this year and I'm using that in negotiations. These WR contracts are going to eventually end up like the RB contracts did and the team left paying these crazy high contracts is going to regret they ever signed them.


I'd prefer they go out and sign the best available OL in the off season no matter the price and find WR's that are on the latter part of their career but are still good players that will sign reasonable 1-2 year contracts.  I still believe winning starts in the trenches.

[Timanky12]

Chase has turned into a decoy for this team. Just run down the sideline and take 2 DB’s with him, and hope someone else gets open.

[Frank Booth]

(4 hours ago)Timanky12 Wrote: Chase has turned into a decoy for this team. Just run down the sideline and take 2 DB’s with him, and hope someone else gets open.

thats not a winning recipe with this supporting cast. Until Tee comes back, of course

[Lucius Cincinnatus]

(5 hours ago)Whatever Wrote: *shakes head*

Folks are focused on raw stats and not on where the stats come from.

I've heard names like Lamb and Hill invoked.  Ceedee Lamb had 181 Targets last year.  Hill 170.  So, those guys are getting 10-11 passes thrown to them a game.  Chase has 11 Targets in two games so far this year.  If you're expecting Lamb/Hill production, then you're expecting him to be theoretically twice as good as those guys given the number of balls he sees a game.  And Chase has a catch % of over 90% so far, so there's not a ton more he can he do with what he's being given.

Zac runs, hate to say it, a very passive passing scheme.  He wants the QB to take what the defense gives him.  He doesn't make much effort to try to "scheme guys open.". That passive system only works when you have the talent out there to take advantage.  Looking at our other WR's, Yoshi has 10 Targets, is only catching 50% of them, and averages a pathetic 3.3 Yards/Target.  Irwin has 8 Targets, a 25% catch %, and a sickening 1.8 Yards/Target.  That's frankly pathetic.  Neither is a starting NFL caliber WR.  I doubt either could even make the roster of half the teams in the league.   But they are getting significant looks in this offense.

You can't simply point to more/less targets to justify differences in production. Maybe part of the reason why he isn't getting 10-11 targets per game is because he isn't getting open enough. 

Maybe he deserves more targets because he is open, but it's not that black and white. 

[Whatever]

(3 hours ago)Lucius Cincinnatus Wrote: You can't simply point to more/less targets to justify differences in production. Maybe part of the reason why he isn't getting 10-11 targets per game is because he isn't getting open enough. 

Maybe he deserves more targets because he is open, but it's not that black and white. 

I think the point that the film backs up is he's constantly doubled and the coaches aren't doing much to get him into better matchups and while Burrow earlier in his career would just stick it in there regardless(having a higher Interception % in the process), that isn't happening anymore.  That could be a confidence issue with the wrist or a coaching directive.  The coaches are ok having Burrow toss it to overmatched guys like Yoshi, Irwin, etc. that have single coverage.