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Duke Tobin: Held onto some players too long
(01-31-2025, 11:23 AM)Wyche Wrote: I feel like Ogunjobi is a largely underrated loss.

I think about this whenever I see him playing for the Steelers. He's been reliably healthy at least. He's started what, 45 out of 50 possible games for them? His production is down somewhat both in terms of sacks and TFLs but he still is a contributor. OTOH that came at a cost of 3 years for $9 million per year. So it is at least possible we do better and find a higher bank for the buck player. I'm not sure we have though. 




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(02-03-2025, 05:50 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: I’m good with my comment. If the front office doesn’t re-sign Chase then the Burrow/team relationship will be damaged.

my Lord man ..Chase will be resigned,,hes a great number 1 receiver..but his resigning has nothing to do with Joe...
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(02-04-2025, 02:11 AM)sandwedge Wrote: Does Duke do the contract negotiations?

Not as far as I know, that is Katie's job pretty sure...
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(02-04-2025, 03:17 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Not as far as I know, that is Katie's job pretty sure...

Mike is the final call 
Romo “ so impressed with Zac ...1 of the best in the NFL… they are just fundamentally sound. Taylor the best winning % in the Playoffs of current coaches. Joe Burrow” Zac is the best head coach in the NFL & that gives me a lot of confidence." Taylor led the Bengals to their first playoff win since 1990, ending the longest active drought in the four major North American sports, en and appeared in Super Bowl LVI, the first since 1988.

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(02-04-2025, 03:37 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Mike is the final call 

I figured, just I am pretty sure that Katie does the contracts and the main negotiations.
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(02-04-2025, 05:22 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I figured, just I am pretty sure that Katie does the contracts and the main negotiations.

Sure she does the grunt work but he watches every cent 
Romo “ so impressed with Zac ...1 of the best in the NFL… they are just fundamentally sound. Taylor the best winning % in the Playoffs of current coaches. Joe Burrow” Zac is the best head coach in the NFL & that gives me a lot of confidence." Taylor led the Bengals to their first playoff win since 1990, ending the longest active drought in the four major North American sports, en and appeared in Super Bowl LVI, the first since 1988.

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(02-04-2025, 07:57 PM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Sure she does the grunt work but he watches every cent 

Mike is 89, I'm sure that he's just been rubber stamping her deals for quite a while now.
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I mean it's pretty obvious when you go to the super bowl and afccg with a qb and two star wr on rookie deals that's when you go all in during free agency, not get ride of Bates and Reader and come back worse. Pretty simple
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(02-04-2025, 11:00 PM)bonesaw Wrote: I mean it's pretty obvious when you go to the super bowl and afccg with a qb and two star wr on rookie deals that's when you go all in during free agency, not get ride of Bates and Reader and come back worse.  Pretty simple

It's not so much that they moved on from those players, as much as doing very little in terms of replacing them with suitable talent.
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(02-04-2025, 11:08 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: It's not so much that they moved on from those players, as much as doing very little in terms of replacing them with suitable talent.

I agree.  The defense wasnt overly talented to begin with but then you let the better talent leave and replace it with lesser talent.  Of course the defense is going to suffer and become worse because of this.  

The same thing would apply to the offense.  You cant lose talent from the offense and think the offense is going to be better because of it.  We can use Higgins as the example.  If he leaves, the offense is not going to be as good.  You cant let talent like that leave and think there will be no drop off on offense.  What you can do however if Tee leaves is take that money Tee would have made and bring in a couple of good guards which would make the offensive line better.  You may lose in one area but gain in another.  What the Bengals cant do is let Tee walk, bring in lesser talent at the WR position and do nothing else on offense.  
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(02-04-2025, 03:17 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Not as far as I know, that is Katie's job pretty sure...
Thank you, you are correct. I was merely pointing out to Rueben, that Tobin has nothing to do with negotiating T's contract extension.
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(02-05-2025, 12:40 AM)sandwedge Wrote: Thank you, you are correct. I was merely pointing out to Rueben, that Tobin has nothing to do with negotiating T's contract extension.

YW and you are correct Wedge.
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(02-04-2025, 10:16 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Mike is 89, I'm sure that he's just been rubber stamping her deals for quite a while now.

Yes sir. The dude couldn't negotiate anything at his age but where he goes to the bathroom...
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(02-05-2025, 12:40 AM)sandwedge Wrote: Thank you, you are correct. I was merely pointing out to Rueben, that Tobin has nothing to do with negotiating T's contract extension.

I was just responding to the thread title. Holding on to players too long means multiple things, in tee’s case if we get nothing for him…held onto him too long. If Tobin has nothing to do with contract negotiations at all then I wonder what the comment “held onto players too long” means. He has no power to trade them anyway?

He held onto tee too long, he should have traded him at his highest value, but we can see he doesn’t have that skill, based on his own statement.
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(02-04-2025, 10:16 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: Mike is 89, I'm sure that he's just been rubber stamping her deals for quite a while now.

Not on the big money trust me. You realize few are there more hours a day? Still 
Romo “ so impressed with Zac ...1 of the best in the NFL… they are just fundamentally sound. Taylor the best winning % in the Playoffs of current coaches. Joe Burrow” Zac is the best head coach in the NFL & that gives me a lot of confidence." Taylor led the Bengals to their first playoff win since 1990, ending the longest active drought in the four major North American sports, en and appeared in Super Bowl LVI, the first since 1988.

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Bengals are too loyal to ineffective staff, who pay it forward by being too loyal to ineffective players.

It has been that way forever.

Loyal to a fault.
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(01-29-2025, 03:51 PM)lone bengal Wrote: Maybe losing the guys you let walk is the bigger issue and your crappy drafts.

Jessie Bates and Eli Apple immediately come to mind.
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(02-05-2025, 04:15 PM)reuben.ahmed Wrote: I was just responding to the thread title. Holding on to players too long means multiple things, in tee’s case if we get nothing for him…held onto him too long. If Tobin has nothing to do with contract negotiations at all then I wonder what the comment “held onto players too long” means. He has no power to trade them anyway?

He held onto tee too long, he should have traded him at his highest value, but we can see he doesn’t have that skill, based on his own statement.
Do you know he was specifically talking about Tee? I remember him saying, you don't trade good players. I also personally know, you don't trade something if you're not going to get what you want for it.
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(02-08-2025, 09:13 AM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: Jessie Bates and Eli Apple immediately come to mind.

The last time Eli Apple played for the Bengals, he allowed a 96.9 QB Rating in his coverage and missed 12.5% of the tackles he attempted. Have we really fallen so far that we have people pining for Eli Apple?
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(02-08-2025, 03:36 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: The last time Eli Apple played for the Bengals, he allowed a 96.9 QB Rating in his coverage and missed 12.5% of the tackles he attempted. Have we really fallen so far that we have people pining for Eli Apple?

yea that was a reach, but Eli was a good corner here. I dislike the Apple slander




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