Dre’Mont Jones released by Seattle

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(03-04-2025, 09:54 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: I think the most likely 1st round scenario is still DT. Why?

1) Along with OG, it is our most glaring need.

2) We only have 2 DTs on the roster, both of whom look like rotational guys, not starters.

3) So we likely need 2 starter level guys + a rotational guy for the 5th DT.

4) Aside from Mason Graham, we'll likely have the pick of the litter on DT's at #17: Nolen, Harmon, Grant, etc. I mean, I don't think we are locked in to DT Rd1, but I'd be shocked if we don't take at least 1 before the end of Day 2, and another on Day 3 would not surprise me.

I look at the top picks, atm, as DT + DE + a wild card BPA somewhere.


But I think at least one starter level vet DT in FA is a must. Be it BJ, a vet like Calais Campbell, Poona Ford or Tart, etc. A vet +

The verdict is still out on Jackson and Jenkins. None of that is decided after their rookie years in a fkd up season.

[SunsetBengal]

(03-04-2025, 09:56 PM)pulses Wrote: BJ  Hill is gonna get 10m/yr I'd rather have the other guy for 2 yrs and say 4 or 5 million and use that other money someplace else. I like Hill but once they reach 30 the bengals dont pay big money deals as you know.

BJ is going to get $10M because he's worth $10M, and that's not a bad price for a decent DT. If you watch him play, he doesn't take downs off, he's a high motor guy. I can't imagine what his stats would be like if he didn't have to chase guys like Lamar Jackson around the field the whole game several times per year. If you really want proof of Hill's value, go back and watch the Raven's games this past season. Hill looks like he's in fast forward in pursuit, while the much younger and "faster" Myles Murphy looks like he's running in molasses.

[Clark W Griswold]

(03-04-2025, 09:56 PM)pulses Wrote: I like Hill but once they reach 30 the bengals dont pay big money deals as you know.

This is exactly why I think they will try hard to get Higgins signed and maybe trade Trey or let him play out his contract.
Hendrickson is more valuable and more of a need for them right now but age always plays a huge role in who they give their $ to.
Trey is 4 years older than Tee. I think Trey will still be very productive for at least 2 more years but between him and the 2 WRs I think he is the least likely to be extended this offseason.

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(03-04-2025, 10:06 PM)SunsetBengal Wrote: BJ is going to get $10M because he's worth $10M, and that's not a bad price for a decent DT. If you watch him play, he doesn't take downs off, he's a high motor guy. I can't imagine what his stats would be like if he didn't have to chase guys like Lamar Jackson around the field the whole game several times per year. If you really want proof of Hill's value, go back and watch the Raven's games this past season. Hill looks like he's in fast forward in pursuit, while the much younger and "faster" Myles Murphy looks like he's running in molasses.

I'm not disagreeing with you on Hill and his value I'm just not sure they will pay it.

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(03-04-2025, 10:08 PM)Clark W Griswold Wrote: This is exactly why I think they will try hard to get Higgins signed and maybe trade Trey or let him play out his contract.
Hendrickson is more valuable and more of a need for them right now but age always plays a huge role in who they give their $ to.  
Trey is 4 years older than Tee. I think Trey will still be very productive for at least 2 more years but between him and the 2 WRs I think he is the least likely to be extended this offseason.

I totally agree and I think a team would give us solid value for Trey in a trade as well.

[*ochocincos*]

(03-04-2025, 09:45 PM)pulses Wrote: Adam Butler DT  5 sacks each season for the last 2 years good against the run he's 30 and spotrac has him at 2.9 million value....that is cheap production.

I've literally never heard of this dude lol, but good to know of a cheap, under-the-radar option.
If the Bengals add a DL, I think they will be under 30 years old.

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(03-04-2025, 10:45 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I've literally never heard of this dude lol, but good to know of a cheap, under-the-radar option.
If the Bengals add a DL, I think they will be under 30 years old.

22 sacks his last 5 seasons so he's good for 4 or 5 sacks a season. His PFF is not the best but in a rotation he would be ok for depth.

[007BengalsFan]

(03-05-2025, 12:34 AM)pulses Wrote: 22 sacks his last 5 seasons so he's good for 4 or 5 sacks a season. His PFF is not the best but in a rotation he would be ok for depth.

His rush defense grade isnt very good.  If we had no other option maybe but he wouldnt be my 1st choice or even 2nd choice.  He would be one step above bringing Lawrence Guy back.

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(03-05-2025, 12:56 AM)007BengalsFan Wrote: His rush defense grade isnt very good.  If we had no other option maybe but he wouldnt be my 1st choice or even 2nd choice.  He would be one step above bringing Lawrence Guy back.

He wouldn't be my top choice either but on the backend of the roster for depth and price possibly. Personally I hope we draft CJ West.

[Sled21]

(03-04-2025, 08:57 PM)BenZoo2 Wrote: So you would be against signing any veteran dl since rankins was a bust?  

I wouldn't call Rankins a bust. He contracted viral meningitis. That's more of a fluke than a bust. Who knows how well he would have played for us if he was healthy once we got some rotation on the line. Seems like the Texans are hot to pick him up.

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Philly didn't tag Milton Williams, bringing that dude in makes us better, but also poorer. He's expected to command around $18Mil/yr @ 4-years. But that is less than we paid Sheldon and Hill combined. Tell me we're going into the season w/ Williams/Jenkins/Jackson and a mid-rounder like Stackhouse outta UNC and I'm ready to roll.

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(03-05-2025, 12:34 AM)pulses Wrote: 22 sacks his last 5 seasons so he's good for 4 or 5 sacks a season. His PFF is not the best but in a rotation he would be ok for depth.

Him with a couple draft picks along with Jenkins and Jackson may suffice for a bolstered DT room, but he is turning 31 in a month, so I can't see Bengals signing him to more than a 1-year deal just to help bridge gap while these young guys develop some.

[007BengalsFan]

(03-05-2025, 02:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Philly didn't tag Milton Williams, bringing that dude in makes us better, but also poorer. He's expected to command around $18Mil/yr @ 4-years. But that is less than we paid Sheldon and Hill combined. Tell me we're going into the season w/ Williams/Jenkins/Jackson and a mid-rounder like Stackhouse outta UNC and I'm ready to roll.

Milton Williams would give you more production than either Rankins or Hill in the pass rush department.  Run defense he is worse than Hill.   Of course Williams is only 25 coming off his rookie contract so he could get better.  I think he would be a good option if we could land him at 18 million per year.  That Philly defense was the best in the NFL so its hard to know how much of Williams production was related to the talent he was surrounded with.

[BenZoo2]

(03-05-2025, 02:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Philly didn't tag Milton Williams, bringing that dude in makes us better, but also poorer. He's expected to command around $18Mil/yr @ 4-years. But that is less than we paid Sheldon and Hill combined. Tell me we're going into the season w/ Williams/Jenkins/Jackson and a mid-rounder like Stackhouse outta UNC and I'm ready to roll.

Well if they don’t bring back hill, and with rankins cut and Hubbard retired, they’d have the money to add this type of contract.  I guess that some what depends on what the big 3 of our own end up getting.  But with Trey extended, Williams in paired with a rookie edge drafted this year and Jenkins and Jackson last this wouldn’t be an outrageous rotation cost wise.

I do think they need to sign at least one dl, edge, guard or cb as an outside free agent.  This is in addition to bringing back our guys or that’s just more holes to fill in the draft.  

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-05-2025, 02:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Philly didn't tag Milton Williams, bringing that dude in makes us better, but also poorer. He's expected to command around $18Mil/yr @ 4-years. But that is less than we paid Sheldon and Hill combined. Tell me we're going into the season w/ Williams/Jenkins/Jackson and a mid-rounder like Stackhouse outta UNC and I'm ready to roll.

Milton is not as good of a run stopper as BJ but a better pass rusher. With the cutting of Rankins and the retiring of Sam we need to bring in a 
couple DL for sure. I just wonder if Milton benefited from all that talent on the Eagles DL, it happens.

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(03-05-2025, 02:35 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Philly didn't tag Milton Williams, bringing that dude in makes us better, but also poorer. He's expected to command around $18Mil/yr @ 4-years. But that is less than we paid Sheldon and Hill combined. Tell me we're going into the season w/ Williams/Jenkins/Jackson and a mid-rounder like Stackhouse outta UNC and I'm ready to roll.

Stackhouse is outta Georgia not UNC.

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(03-05-2025, 06:04 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Milton is not as good of a run stopper as BJ but a better pass rusher. With the cutting of Rankins and the retiring of Sam we need to bring in a 
couple DL for sure. I just wonder if Milton benefited from all that talent on the Eagles DL, it happens.

I'm sure he did that's why teams are gonna have to be careful and really watch his tape and see what they think.

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(03-05-2025, 06:21 PM)pulses Wrote: Stackhouse is outta Georgia not UNC.

Yep. I wanted Stackhouse last year before he went back to play another year for them Bulldogs.

(03-05-2025, 06:22 PM)pulses Wrote: I'm sure he did that's why teams are gonna have to be careful and really watch his tape and see what they think.

For sure. But I liked Milton in college even, I think he would be a good get for us if BJ leaves, he is still young.

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(03-05-2025, 06:43 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yep. I wanted Stackhouse last year before he went back to play another year for them Bulldogs.


For sure. But I liked Milton in college even, I think he would be a good get for us if BJ leaves, he is still young.

If the price is right indeed. BJ is 30 I don't think they'll pay him 10/yr even tho he's probably worth it.

[Bengalbug]

How about Trey Hendrickson for Jonathan Allen and some draft compensation?