{The Ultimate Bengals Offseason Extravaganza Thread}

[*ochocincos*]

(03-11-2025, 12:18 AM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yeah, I don't like this much. I like what Scott Peters has done and I like the way he talks but get a damn proven Guard instead 
of trying to make something out of nothing. Volson and Ford HAVE shown they are backups at best.

Where's Troy Blackburn to use the "We can't go to WalMart and buy one off the shelf" analogy?

[*ochocincos*]

(03-11-2025, 08:53 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: I’d love to add Teven Jenkins and/or Jedrick Wills. Both seem worthy of a reclamation project opportunity.

Reclamation project for Jenkins?
He's been a good guard the past few years.
Never allowed >17 total pressures or 4 sacks in a season at Guard.

[samhain]

(03-11-2025, 06:00 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Lets be honest qe dont get to SB and Div. Championships without a solid defense, i wish someine remembers that soon

Agree completely.  

[007BengalsFan]

(03-11-2025, 08:41 PM)Nepa Wrote: The comment on twitter was:

"BREAKING: The Cincinnati Bengals have agreed to trade star Trey Hendrickson to the Green Bay Packers in exchange for a 2025 3rd round pick. The reigning sack leader heads to Green Bay where he’s expecting to sign a long term deal. (per@AdamSchefter"

But, it appears to be some random, made-up, fake-news post. As one person pointed out, Adam Schefter apparently has no such information on his feed. ... And it was posted 8 hours ago

The Bengals are not going to trade Hendrickson for a 3rd round draft pick.  They would get a 3rd round comp pick if they kept him until his contract was up.   Hendrickson only costs the Bengals 16 million to keep him this season so it makes no sense to trade him for a 3rd round pick.

It seems to me Trey and his agent overvalued his worth across the league.  The Bengals now might not have the money to pay him their original offer since they expected to lose him and used 7 million of their cap to bring Ossai back.  If Hendrickson had signed the Bengals offer do they spend the 7 million on Ossai instead of looking at a deep draft?  Trey's agent might have screwed Trey over on this one.  Trey may have to lower his price for everyone including the Bengals offer unless he wants to play for 16-18 million this season and try again next year.

[Luvnit2]

(03-11-2025, 07:08 PM)jj22 Wrote: ATL s out

I was watching a show and one mentioned the Eagles was the best place for Trey. Rosen is not afraid to give up a first round pick and they also have a llotof picks they could add to the #1.

I hope we keep Trey. Amother broadcaster acted like if we got a 2nd or 3rd for Trey, we should take it.

Is our FO's job to help others win or us win?

[samhain]

(03-11-2025, 09:20 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Reclamation project for Jenkins?
He's been a good guard the past few years.
Never allowed >17 total pressures or 4 sacks in a season at Guard.

He's got all of the physical traits.  Injuries are the issue.  He doesn't have serious ones, but he has them kind of a lot.

[Luvnit2]

(03-11-2025, 09:20 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Reclamation project for Jenkins?
He's been a good guard the past few years.
Never allowed >17 total pressures or 4 sacks in a season at Guard.

His stats look good until you account for games missed. His season has never been 17 games.

[Bengalbug]

(03-11-2025, 06:16 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: What do you mean Bengalbug?

Hendrickson has had how long to negotiate with other teams? It doesn’t seem like there is a report of another team offering any more/less than the bengals . I bet Trey comes back and either plays out this year, or re-signs for less than what bengals originally offered.

[007BengalsFan]

(03-11-2025, 09:23 PM)samhain Wrote: He's got all of the physical traits.  Injuries are the issue.  He doesn't have serious ones, but he has them kind of a lot.

One of the knocks on potentially signing Becton last year was the games he had missed due to injures.  He played 16 games in 2023 before the Eagles signed him but the two previous years, he had only played 1 game.  

I dont know about Jenkins.  Like Becton, he could be a bit of a risk but he was a high 2nd round draft pick that has played well.  If healthy, he is a good guard and would be a good signing.

[SunsetBengal]

(03-11-2025, 09:20 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Reclamation project for Jenkins?
He's been a good guard the past few years.
Never allowed >17 total pressures or 4 sacks in a season at Guard.

Exactly, and when you're shopping the "Great Value" brand at Wal Mart, Jenkins seems pretty good.

[Truck_1_0_1_]

(03-11-2025, 08:41 PM)Nepa Wrote: The comment on twitter was:

"BREAKING: The Cincinnati Bengals have agreed to trade star Trey Hendrickson to the Green Bay Packers in exchange for a 2025 3rd round pick. The reigning sack leader heads to Green Bay where he’s expecting to sign a long term deal. (per@AdamSchefter"

But, it appears to be some random, made-up, fake-news post. As one person pointed out, Adam Schefter apparently has no such information on his feed. ... And it was posted 8 hours ago

(03-11-2025, 09:14 PM)samhain Wrote: I don't buy it.  This team does some dumb shit, but they are also as stubborn as can be.  No way on the world they let him go for a 3rd.

(03-11-2025, 09:17 PM)phil413 Wrote: Much appreciated yeah that's wack.

(03-11-2025, 09:22 PM)007BengalsFan Wrote: The Bengals are not going to trade Hendrickson for a 3rd round draft pick.  They would get a 3rd round comp pick if they kept him until his contract was up.   Hendrickson only costs the Bengals 16 million to keep him this season so it makes no sense to trade him for a 3rd round pick.

It seems to me Trey and his agent overvalued his worth across the league.  The Bengals now might not have the money to pay him their original offer since they expected to lose him and used 7 million of their cap to bring Ossai back.  If Hendrickson had signed the Bengals offer do they spend the 7 million on Ossai instead of looking at a deep draft?  Trey's agent might have screwed Trey over on this one.  Trey may have to lower his price for everyone including the Bengals offer unless he wants to play for 16-18 million this season and try again next year.

(03-11-2025, 09:23 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I was watching a show and one mentioned the Eagles was the best place for Tee. Rosen is not afraid to give up a first round pick and they also have a llotof picks they could add to the #1.

I hope we keep Trey. Amother broadcaster acted like if we got a 2nd or 3rd for Trey, we should take it.

Is our FO's job to help others win or us win?

More important than the comment itself, is who wrote it.

I'll give you a hint: it wasn't Schefter.

[Bengalstripes9]

(03-11-2025, 07:17 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: They'd need restructured.

Well, if Chase gets 40 million, it won't be for this year. It's upcoming years.

(03-11-2025, 07:35 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: You can't take a contract signed and assume the cap hit is applied equally over the term of the deal. You also can't use the maximun number as a basis. If. guy signs a 3 year maximum contract at 30 million, it does not mean the cap hit is 10 million year 1, 10 milion year 2 and 10 million year 3. The cap hit is based on the guaranteed cash in the deal. So in the example of 3 years at 30 million, if only 60% is guaranteed at signing, the true number is closer to 18 million for 3 years versus 30 million.

A great place to do research is Spotrac. Go to the site and look up John Jefferson's contract. You would think hs cap hit is 30 to 35 million in year one. It was 8.6 million in 2024 and then went to 15+ million in year 2. This was do to signing bonuses which the tea can choose how to allocate them, they could give a huge bonus and wait until year 2 or 3 to count it against the cap.

We will add cap space if we give Tee a long term contract. In 2025 his tag would cost the team 26.2 milion. But if we trade him, we gain 26.2 million. If we sign him to a 4 year deal, his cap hit in year one will go down to anywhere between 5 to 15 million. So if it is 5 million, we gain 21 in cap space.

Chase also we will gain cap space if he is given a long t erm contract. The Bengals have a ton of cap space in future years, over 230 million in 2026 alone so they cn easily afford to push the cap into later years for Tee and Chase. They can also restructure Joe B. and lower his cap hits. Derrick Carr just did a restructure for the Saints pushing his cap hit to later years.

I am not an expert, but others are. I learn by looking at contracts and calculating how they assign the cap hit.

Check out Jefferson's contract and how they applied the cap hit for a huge contract.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/47616/justin-jefferson

Long post, but complicated ways teams stricture deals to afford players now.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/_/year/2025/sort/cap_maximum_space2

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/cap/_/year/2024/sort/cap_total

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/minnesota-vikings/cap/_/year/2025

Thanks for the post. I understand the basics of varying up the cap hit year to year.

What I'm wondering is how much cap space we have, and some sort of example of how we could re-sign all three and make it work under the cap this year.

If I were to see an example of how it would work then it would be easy to see how much excess they have to spend if any.

[Luvnit2]

(03-11-2025, 09:38 PM)Bengalstripes9 Wrote: Thanks for the post. I understand the basics of varying up the cap hit year to year.

What I'm wondering is how much cap space we have, and some sort of example of how we could re-sign all three and make it work under the cap this year.

If I were to see an example of how it would work then it would be easy to see how much excess they have to spend if any.

If they sign Higgins to a long term deal, they likely gain at least 16 million If they trade him, they gain 26 million so lets' say we sign him to a long deal.

Chase, if we extend him, we can gain 12 million.

Burrow, if we restructure him we can gain and 25 million.

So, we keep all 3 and we gain 53 million additional cap dollars for 2025.


We currently have around 28 million after all of the re-signing and adds in FA whch incudes our 2025 draft pick allocation.


28 + 53 = 81 million left to extend Trey (don't have to do it, he is under contract) and spend another 50 million to build the trenches at guard and at DE/Edge


We have a ton of money if we push to future years. But, how much will they be willing to push down the road?

[007BengalsFan]

(03-11-2025, 09:33 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: Hendrickson has had how long to negotiate with other teams?  It doesn’t seem like there is a report of another team offering any more/less than the bengals . I bet Trey comes back and either plays out this year, or re-signs for less than what bengals originally offered.

I made that same point in the Hendrickson thread.  The Bengals dont have the same cap space now as they did when they gave Hendrickson the offer.  He may have to take less now with the Bengals or less than what he is seeking from other teams.

[Luvnit2]

(03-11-2025, 07:39 PM)Frank Booth Wrote: it makes players mad in the locker room. I know people dont believe that or want to hear it, but its true

Yet, Chiefs won a Super Bowl after Chris Jones was so upset, he missed training camp and at least one game.

Maybe they will play harder if they are pissed. 

It is not like these tags are minimum wage. The tag for. WR is over 23 million this year and will be higher next year. Please tag me, I will run through brick walls for 23 million in one year.

[Bengalstripes9]

(03-11-2025, 07:46 PM)XsandOs Wrote: Expressing your opinion is not going to insult anyone's intelligence. Unless you feel that your opinion is educated and there is a lack thereof in the counter.

I will say that nothing divides a Team worse than a few players viewed as the the elite within the Team. That is not just toxic, but tumorigenic. Further fuel is added to the fire, when displeasure from the elite affects the Team performance. We should have been ready for the Patriots game last year!!!

As related to politics, the prevalence of hubris and pomposity coupled with egocentrism is one of the main culprits in the divisions. This is not the forum to discuss politics, so I will not further the discussion. 

There is no shortage of criticism directed towards the ownership and front office of the Bengals, historically and currently - which is fair. But this situation we are in now is beyond ridiculous. I feel that criticism of both parties is fair.    

I see nothing wrong with criticising the Bengals organization. They have given fans many reasons to do so over the years.

I disagree on what you said about having a few elite players on the team that are viewed as elite having a toxic or negative effect on the team as a whole.

The best thing the Bengals have going for them is they are very much a team (almost family-like). The culture is good.

Within a good team culture everyone is celebrating everyone else's success and nobody wants to see others fail.

I thought the top players on the Bengals handled the failure as best as they could last year. Burrow and Chase for example could have blamed the defense in post game interviews--but they would always say stuff like, 'yeah, but we could have closed the game out earlier (pointing to a late drive they failed on)'. (not a word for word quote but that's the type of thing they would say).

I agree that more humility needs to be used in todays discussions. There is too much name calling and strawman arguments going around that furthers the divide. It takes a concerted effort by all parties to be civil and talk things out rationally. Things get too emotionally charged. I remember in school we had classes on forming arguments and arguing one side or another and I didn't like it. You were taught not to concede and discuss openly. You were taught to butt heads. It's part of the culture and the media reinforces it.

[Bengalstripes9]

(03-11-2025, 09:47 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: If they sign Higgins to a long term deal, they likely gain at least 16 million If they trade him, they gain 26 million so lets' say we sign him to a long deal.

Chase, if we extend him, we can gain 12 million.

Burrow, if we restructure him we can gain and 25 million.

So, we keep all 3 and we gain 53 million additional cap dollars for 2025.

We currently have around 28 million after all of the re-signing and adds in FA whch incudes our 2025 draft pick allocation.

28 + 53 = 81 million left to extend Trey (don't have to do it, he is under contract) and spend another 50 million to build the trenches at guard and at DE/Edge

We have a ton of money if we push to future years. But, how much will they be willing to push down the road?

I get what you're saying here. But I'm more looking to an example of how they would split up the cap hit on all 3 if they are on longterm deals.

Assume Chase gets 5 years at $43 mil per year. Higgins gets 4 at $30 mil per year. Assume Trey gets 4 years at $40 mil per year.

I believe those are roughly their going rates? So how do they use their 28 million in cap space to make that work?

What do their cap hits look like each year for each player to make it work?

The first thing I would want to know is what the total cap space they would have (this year) with their current deals being erased, then how the cap hit looks year to year for all 3.

[BengalFanInNJ]

(03-11-2025, 08:00 PM)Stewy Wrote: A large contingent constantly bashing on the FO.......
A large contingent arguing about Trey's value......back and forth.......
A large contingent running into the thread to tell all those fighting back and forth what deal just got signed that will affect Trey trade value.....and all three contingents arguing about it back and forth

Pretty much a bunch of repetitive posting. sharing nothing of value at all.

Kinda like my response to you I suppose.

Nah. You provided a nice synopsis of what's going on. 

[Essex Johnson]

(03-11-2025, 08:53 PM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: I’d love to add Teven Jenkins and/or Jedrick Wills. Both seem worthy of a reclamation project opportunity.

Im hoping we sign KZ and let him retire where he started.. hard nose snap eater and great team player... perfect fit next couple years with Burrow

[Joelist]

Sign Zeitler and Teven Jenkins, then we can go
G in the draft in Rd 2 or 3 and have time to coach the kid up.