{The Ultimate Bengals Offseason Extravaganza Thread}

[Luvnit2]

(03-14-2025, 12:29 PM)pally Wrote: Jenkins is visiting Seattle on Monday

That is not good news. I do question, it is Friday so why wait until Monday.

Is his agent leaking a trip to Seattle to get a team he is negotiting with some leverage to move now?

Or is he visiting other teams this weekend?

[RunKijanaRun]

If Jenkins signs w/Seattle the refrain will still be “stop crying! we’re only 4 days into FA! Lots of good guards left!!”

“tbh I never really liked Jenkins, he’s not that good”

“shut up we can get guards in the draft!”

“not our fault no one wants to come to cincy”

[TJHoushmandzadeh's Shiny Shoes]

(03-14-2025, 12:38 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: If Jenkins signs w/Seattle the refrain will still be “stop crying! we’re only 4 days into FA! Lots of good guards left!!”

“tbh I never really liked Jenkins, he’s not that good”

“shut up we can get guards in the draft!”

“not our fault no one wants to come to cincy”

Tbf I was saying give me Scherff and Risner before news of his visit to Seattle emerged.

[Luvnit2]

(03-14-2025, 12:38 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: If Jenkins signs w/Seattle the refrain will still be “stop crying! we’re only 4 days into FA! Lots of good guards left!!”

“tbh I never really liked Jenkins, he’s not that good”

“shut up we can get guards in the draft!”

“not our fault no one wants to come to cincy”

If they do sign a guard will you admit you are cry baby????

[RunKijanaRun]

(03-14-2025, 12:44 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: If they do sign a guard will you admit you a cry baby????

If they sign 2 good ones, yes.

If they don’t, will you admit you’re Hobson?

[jj22]

Risner has ties to our passing game coordinator. One of the reasons I thought maybe they'd sign him last offseason.

[Bengalbug]

(03-14-2025, 11:31 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: They traded him to dump his salary. We are in the opposite situation; Trey is only an extremely low salary in 2025. Bengals have to motivated to trade Trey. They want him, Texans did not want Tunsil for his salary.

They traded him because they got back a value that was appropriate. He was never going to be cut.

[jj22]

They have a QB on a rookie deal. I didn't think they would need to make moves for financial reasons. Especially to a position like LT..... I don't know what Houston is up to or doing. They've decimated their Oline. 

[Luvnit2]

(03-14-2025, 01:29 PM)Bengalbug Wrote: They traded him because they got back a value that was appropriate.  He was never going to be cut.

Look at their cap, they cut him to afford others. Why else would you trade your best OL?

https://overthecap.com/player/laremy-tunsil/4726

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/cap/_/year/2025

Chiefs traded Thuney also to get cap relief. 

These teams did not think the salary was a value any longer.

[higgy100]

(03-14-2025, 11:19 AM)jj22 Wrote: Trey would have helped himself make more money if he wasn't a 1 trick pony. A good trick, but not being able to move around and/or stop the run hurts his trade value and his demand for setting the market.

Well, either that or 2-3 years younger would have done it.

[Luvnit2]

(03-14-2025, 12:55 PM)RunKijanaRun Wrote: If they sign 2 good ones, yes.

If they don’t, will you admit you’re Hobson?

Give us your list of good choices. Does draft count?

I am not the one in panic mode. I see starting guards with pick #17 in the draft. You know, same thing KC did when they drafted 5th round guard Trey Smith.

[Luvnit2]

(03-14-2025, 01:18 PM)jj22 Wrote: Risner has ties to our passing game coordinator. One of the reasons I thought maybe they'd sign him last offseason.

Just a FYI. on Risner. Does the contract dictate good or does his past performance? His numbers are far better than Cappa, Volson and Ford.

https://vikingswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/vikings/2025/02/24/2025-nfl-free-agency-projected-value-of-dalton-risners-contract/80839071007/

Risner is an above-average pass blocker, receiving a 76.2 grade from PFF last year. However, he's a below-average run blocker, getting a 57.4 grade from them in 2024.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-14-2025, 10:04 AM)TJHoushmandzadeh Wrote: Scherff makes a lot of sense as a bridge candidate. Draft a couple of young guards and have him mentor them.

Guard is the type of position where you can find good starters in the 4th or 5th. However the chances of them being good starters from week 1 are low. Giving them half a season, a year as a back-up is a much better way to go.

I think this has been a big part of the Bengals’ interior problems. Players like Jordan, Volson were chucked in as soon as they showed any promise. This didn’t set them up for long term success.

ps At the moment I think their best O-line will be with Karras at G and Matt Lee at C.

Good points. Scherff would be a good bridge candidate as you say and Matt Lee at Center might be in the cards while moving Ted to LG.

Makes me feel a little better about not getting 2 Guards. Just cannot have Volson or Ford starting, period.

[RunKijanaRun]

(03-14-2025, 01:48 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Give us your list of good choices. Does draft count?

I am not the one in panic mode. I see starting guards with pick #17 in the draft. You know, same thing KC did when they drafted 5th round guard Trey Smith.

You not panicking should provide comfort or relief to absolutely no one. And I’m not panicking. I’ve been thru this w/the bungles more times than I care to count. It’s more of a sad lament. And it’s causing me to make a decision as to whether or not continuing to ride this train is worthwhile. They have a bigger opportunity to win a SB now than they ever have before, yet they’re content to waste our stars prime years with an abundance of frugality, incompetence and passivity.

As to which ones would be considered “good,” I’d be fine with Scherff and possibly Risner. Far from great but both would be upgrades to our current fixtures.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(03-13-2025, 07:22 PM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: Agree that the defensive rebuild was mostly going to be via the draft. I know most do not view it thisxway, but we have signed 4 defensive FAs, 3 9f whom are DL: Hill, Ossai, & Slaton. Plus Burks to replace ADG as LB3. We spent $24 mil on the d-line. 

Hill was a top 5 FA DT everywhere I looked. Gesicki a top 3 TE. ESPN & NFL grade Slaton as a top 3 (or top) run stopper in the league. Burks started the Eagles SB run and balled out and graded 80+ at PFF, regular and post season. 

Now, we have totally whiffed on Big 3 extensions and a Burrow extension so far. And on guards. If we'd have gotted most/all of that done, we'd had had more ammo to play in the deeper end of the pool on D in FA. And do more than bring back Gesicki & Perine on O. 

But Jenkins & Scherff are still out there. Trey, Tee, and Chase are still in stripes. Joe is still willing to restructure. It looks as if 25 or so of the top 100 FA's are still out there. There will be more cuts of quality players. This week and post draft. 

I give us a firm D atm, but if we land Jenkins it creeps up towards C. Jenkins + Scherff would be pushing C+/B. 

That getting some Big 3/Joe B re done and making another move or two with the $$ is B+ to A territory.

Nice breakdown Ike. Agree that we can still make the moves to salvage this Offseason. The Draft will be Defensive heavy as that is the
strength of the Draft and our needs with a new Defensive staff. Bring in a Guard, extend our guys and it isn't so bad.

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(03-14-2025, 11:31 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: They traded him to dump his salary. We are in the opposite situation; Trey is only an extremely low salary in 2025. Bengals have to motivated to trade Trey. They want him, Texans did not want Tunsil for his salary.

They traded him because he led the NFL in penalties last year and the new OL Coach wanted to clean out their OL room because it had a bad culture.

They also traded their 2022 1st round pick G and cut a vet G.

[*ochocincos*]

(03-14-2025, 03:04 AM)Isaac Curtis: The Real #85 Wrote: The reason the asking price is so high is because we don't want to lose him. This has been obvious from the start. Now, if someone wants to make a Herschel Walker or Ricky Williams lopsided trade offer? Sure, OK. But we are not interested in a fair trade for Trey. Only a super lopsided one. 

He & Chase are under contract. Tee has been tagged. I wish we'd have done this last year, or earlier this year. It would have been cheaper and we'd have more cap room. And perhaps Burrow's reatructure is contingent on these extensions? 


We still have arounf $20 mil in cap. There are still some good FA's out there. Let's,get thesexdeals done and upgrade at guard for sure. And maybe more if we free more space.

Whoa...this thread taking a turn to kinky town lol

[Luvnit2]

(03-14-2025, 02:14 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: They traded him because he led the NFL in penalties last year and the new OL Coach wanted to clean out their OL room because it had a bad culture.

They also traded their 2022 1st round pick G and cut a vet G.

Didn't I say they traded him because his value took a dive? They dumped him because he made too much money for just a good OT in my humble opinion. Also,they would have not signed or be forced to cut other players to get under the cap the first day of the league year (Wednesday the 12th at 4 p.m.). 

I provided the factual info on their cap space. Did you look at it or just want to argue?

[*TheLeonardLeap*]

(03-14-2025, 02:27 PM)Luvnit2 Wrote: Didn't I say they traded him because his value took a dive? They dumped him because he made too much money for just a good OT in my humble opinion. Also,they would have not signedor beforced to cut other players to get under the cap the first day of the league year (Wednesday the 12th at 4 p.m.). 

I provided the factaul info on their cap space. Did you look at it or just want to argue?

Cool, but I am pointing out that money was not the primary reason... they could always make more cap space if they wanted to, just as they did when they traded for Christian Kirk on the 6th and then just today converted his base salary into a signing bonus with void years to clear up $11.46m in cap space and they could do the same with other guys if they wanted to.

https://texanswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/texans/2025/03/12/nfl-toxic-draft-houston-texans-laremy-tunsil-trade-mmqb-kenyon-green/82308845007/
https://houseofhouston.com/concerning-texans-locker-room-report-surfaces-amid-free-agency-01jp86xr7kq1
https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/3239812
https://fanrecap.com/texans-blow-up-offensive-line-after-locker-room-issues/

The trade was about the new OL coach fixing/setting the culture, not money. If you want to call me pointing that out as "just wanting to argue" then sure.

[Luvnit2]

(03-14-2025, 03:02 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Cool, but I am pointing out that money was not the primary reason... they could always make more cap space if they wanted to, just as they did when they traded for Christian Kirk on the 6th and then just today converted his base salary into a signing bonus with void years to clear up $11.46m in cap space and they could do the same with other guys if they wanted to.

https://texanswire.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/texans/2025/03/12/nfl-toxic-draft-houston-texans-laremy-tunsil-trade-mmqb-kenyon-green/82308845007/
https://houseofhouston.com/concerning-texans-locker-room-report-surfaces-amid-free-agency-01jp86xr7kq1
https://www.thescore.com/nfl/news/3239812
https://fanrecap.com/texans-blow-up-offensive-line-after-locker-room-issues/

The trade was about the new OL coach fixing/setting the culture, not money. If you want to call me pointing that out as "just wanting to argue" then sure.

Fair enough

Maybe we are both right