Name you want to hear and don't want to hear tomorrow

[Nepa]

(04-25-2025, 06:41 PM)Stewy Wrote: This thread is funny/sad in retrospect.

True. I counted 11 posters on the two pages before the draft saying the name they did not want to hear is Shemar Stewart!

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-27-2025, 09:30 PM)Nepa Wrote: True. I counted 11 posters on the two pages before the draft saying the name they did not want to hear is Shemar Stewart!

I REPENT!!!

[Skans]

If it makes anyone feel better, Luke Kuechly said Shemar Stewart had the most "upside/ceiling" of any Defensive End in the draft. He excluded Abdul Carter as he said he is more of a linebacker and not a true defensive end.

[*ochocincos*]

(04-29-2025, 06:01 PM)Skans Wrote: If it makes anyone feel better, Luke Kuechly said Shemar Stewart had the most "upside/ceiling" of any Defensive End in the draft.  He excluded Abdul Carter as he said he is more of a linebacker and not a true defensive end.

Joe Goodberry posted his draft grades video yesterday.
He goes into detail the concern with Stewart.
Guy got a lot of pressures but missed a ton of tackles and really struggled disengaging and finding the ball carrier.
Goodberry graded Stewart well on everything except for tape and production, two huge pieces.
He had a mid-round grade on Stewart when it came to production.
Said Stewart would not have been someone he would have taken at 17.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(04-29-2025, 06:01 PM)Skans Wrote: If it makes anyone feel better, Luke Kuechly said Shemar Stewart had the most "upside/ceiling" of any Defensive End in the draft.  He excluded Abdul Carter as he said he is more of a linebacker and not a true defensive end.

Yep, watched this this morning on Up And Adams with Kay.

[*ochocincos*]

(Yesterday, 01:39 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Yep, watched this this morning on Up And Adams with Kay.

People said similar things about Myles Murphy.

Murphy RAS - 9.71

Height - 6'4.75"
Weight - 268 lbs
40 - 4.53
shuttle - 4.29
3-cone - 7.21
Broad/Vert - DNP

Stewart RAS - 10.0
Height - 6'5.0"
Weight - 267 lbs
40 - 4.59
vert - 40.0
broad - 10'11"
shuttle/3-cone - DNP

Just like SS, MM's scouting report was "The traits and upside are there, but his skill level needs a boost to push the ceiling higher...Doesn't come up with a rush plan to beat tackles."

Murphy actually had better production and tape than SS, and he's now going into Year 3 before potentially making any real impact.
If Bengals don't get some immediate quality performance from SS this year, there will be concerns...unless Ossai/Murphy really steps up to compensate and make people be fine with relegating the shiny 1st round DE to a limited snap player this year.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(10 hours ago)ochocincos Wrote: People said similar things about Myles Murphy.

Murphy RAS - 9.71

Height - 6'4.75"
Weight - 268 lbs
40 - 4.53
shuttle - 4.29
3-cone - 7.21
Broad/Vert - DNP

Stewart RAS - 10.0
Height - 6'5.0"
Weight - 267 lbs
40 - 4.59
vert - 40.0
broad - 10'11"
shuttle/3-cone - DNP

Just like SS, MM's scouting report was "The traits and upside are there, but his skill level needs a boost to push the ceiling higher...Doesn't come up with a rush plan to beat tackles."

Murphy actually had better production and tape than SS, and he's now going into Year 3 before potentially making any real impact.
If Bengals don't get some immediate quality performance from SS this year, there will be concerns...unless Ossai/Murphy really steps up to compensate and make people be fine with relegating the shiny 1st round DE to a limited snap player this year.

I don't remember players like Micah Parsons and Luke Kuechly talking up Murphy and saying he had the highest ceiling of anyone in the entire
Draft but yeah, they were similar. I still think Murphy can be great too, just gained too much weight last season and it really slowed him down.

[*ochocincos*]

(9 hours ago)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: I don't remember players like Micah Parsons and Luke Kuechly talking up Murphy and saying he had the highest ceiling of anyone in the entire
Draft but yeah, they were similar. I still think Murphy can be great too, just gained too much weight last season and it really slowed him down.

What I am starting to not like about RAS scores is they ignore drills that players don't do.
Example - SS didn't do agility drills. Would he have done well enough to keep a 10.0 RAS if he had?
Goodberry mentioned he looked somewhat stiff on tape, which contributed to why he couldn't finish some plays and get to the passer/ball carrier.