Posts: 40,628
Threads: 1,062
Joined: May 2015
(07-04-2015, 04:10 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: Fisher - Currently no, overall yes.
Overall does not matter. That has been one of my biggest points all along. You say what Marvin did 10 years ago matters now, but not with Fisher.
No one would consider Fisher a "Super Bowl" coach when he has only had 2 winning seasons in the last 11 years. When judging coaches we have to look at what is happening now. Not 11 years ago.
Posts: 5,548
Threads: 199
Reputation:
25210
Joined: May 2015
Location: Boise, ID
(07-05-2015, 11:14 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Overall does not matter. That has been one of my biggest points all along. You say what Marvin did 10 years ago matters now, but not with Fisher.
No one would consider Fisher a "Super Bowl" coach when he has only had 2 winning seasons in the last 11 years. When judging coaches we have to look at what is happening now. Not 11 years ago.
Sure, fine, Fisher stinks. He turned the team with Injury Bradford and Kellen Clemens as their QBs into a team that can give Seattle fits, but whatever, ill let you have that one.
Good job dodging my question about John Fox tho. A guy who has had success in the past and present and was also available to replace Marvin THIS OFFSEASON.
Sounds like he meets your criteria of replacing Marvin? A proven coach who has done it in the past, in the present, with good QBs with not so good QBs, and was available for hire.
OH WELL.
I'm sure its because "Peyton Manning carried the team" and "Elway put together a great team before he got there" and a bunch of other reasons why John Fox isn't a good coach, regardless of his history.
I don't even like John Fox, but ill be eagerly awaiting your explanation as to why John Fox isn't quite as good as the great Marvin Lewis :snark:
Posts: 1,495
Threads: 69
Reputation:
4430
Joined: May 2015
Location: Eaton OH
(07-05-2015, 12:16 AM)t3r3e3 Wrote: Harbaugh was for a short time. He'll spend the next few years turning around Michigan then the next 7-8 owning the Big 10.
If Urban Meyer is still coaching in the Big 10, that will be near impossible to 'owning' the Big 10.
To each his own... unless you belong to a political party...
Posts: 40,628
Threads: 1,062
Joined: May 2015
(07-05-2015, 01:38 PM)GreenCornBengal Wrote: I don't even like John Fox, but ill be eagerly awaiting your explanation as to why John Fox isn't quite as good as the great Marvin Lewis :snark:
I wouldn't hire John Fax because you don't like him.
Honestly I would say that Fox is probably a better coach than Marvin, but at the same time I feel we would have been much better the last three years with Peyton Manning at QB.
So it is hard to say that Fox could achieve more with this team in '15 than Fox.
Posts: 40,628
Threads: 1,062
Joined: May 2015
(07-05-2015, 02:01 PM)EatonFan Wrote: If Urban Meyer is still coaching in the Big 10, that will be near impossible to 'owning' the Big 10.
And Harbaugh will probably not last 7-8 years. He seems to wear out his welcome pretty quickly.
Posts: 5,559
Threads: 82
Reputation:
25610
Joined: May 2015
Location: Florida
(07-03-2015, 11:53 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Dom Capers was 32 games under .500 as a head coach (48-80). He only made the playoffs one time in his 8 seasons. Does the fact that he won a playoff game make him better than Marvin?
Lewis is better than average simply because of the changes he's brought to Cinci and the fact that the team does get to the playoffs regularly. That's a vast improvement over the Mike Brown Ouija (WeeGee) board show of the 90's.
The Bengals went from the worst run team in all of professional sports to one that has a chance most years.
That's the good.
However, Lewis gets knocked down the list for his teams showing so poorly in prime time and playoff games. We aren't just talking about not winning a playoff game here, we're talking about getting their asses kicked 6 times in row, being out coached 6 times row, being unprepared 6 times in a row and having no answers in the second half 6 times in a row. These games weren't even close and that knocks him down the list and it should.
Many other teams would have canned him by now.
Posts: 3,827
Threads: 36
Reputation:
21840
Joined: May 2015
Can't really argue this. Lewis helps to get his teams to the playoffs every single year, and then lets them fall apart in the big games. I like that he's changed the feel of the organization, but honestly, it needs changed again.
Posts: 10,718
Threads: 63
Reputation:
57608
Joined: May 2015
(07-04-2015, 10:34 AM)fredtoast Wrote: How do you win it all if you don't make the playoffs?
This poll is about who is the best coach right now, not 6 years ago.
Excellent point.
With that in mind, I would put most of the coaches ahead of him. If we're going by their ability in a single, specific game and not just an overall look at their career, then Marvin is very unreliable.
Posts: 40,628
Threads: 1,062
Joined: May 2015
(07-06-2015, 11:09 AM)Benton Wrote: Excellent point.
With that in mind, I would put most of the coaches ahead of him. If we're going by their ability in a single, specific game and not just an overall look at their career, then Marvin is very unreliable.
Lots of bad coaches have won a playoff game. Lots of good coaches have lost playoff games.
Posts: 40,628
Threads: 1,062
Joined: May 2015
(07-05-2015, 09:13 PM)BengalChris Wrote: Many other teams would have canned him by now.
Many other teams might have fired him after the '10 season, but not very many would fire him now.
Posts: 240
Threads: 9
Joined: May 2015
Marvy not in the top 5? This list is garbage.
Posts: 10,718
Threads: 63
Reputation:
57608
Joined: May 2015
(07-06-2015, 01:11 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Lots of bad coaches have won a playoff game. Lots of good coaches have lost playoff games.
Ergo: lots of bad coaches have lost playoff games and lots of good head coaches have won playoff games.
Posts: 15,116
Threads: 221
Reputation:
147378
Joined: May 2015
(07-03-2015, 01:36 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Rex Ryan was handed a talented, winning team. He had some success for a couple of years and then ran it into the ground.
He has accomplished more than than Marvin, but I am not really that impressed.
In fairness, I think Woody and Tannenbaum had way more to do with the fall of the Jets.
From everything I've read, it didn't seem like Rex was the one assembling the "talent" on the Jets.
For example, I read that Rex hated the Stephen Hill pick, and we didn't hear anything about Rex being interested in Sanchez when he was available this year.
The training, nutrition, medicine, fitness, playbooks and rules evolve. The athlete does not.
Posts: 2,726
Threads: 48
Reputation:
18311
Joined: May 2015
Location: Columbus, Ohio
(07-06-2015, 01:11 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Lots of bad coaches have won a playoff game. Lots of good coaches have lost playoff games.
How many good or bad ones have lost 6 in a row?
Posts: 28,757
Threads: 40
Reputation:
126716
Joined: May 2015
Location: Parts Unknown, PA
It's fitting that Marvin is #12 because he led us out of the dark ages and to the promised land of 6 12th place finishes in 12 years. Seriously, 6 12th place finishes in 12 years and some people have the gall to think anyone could come in here and do better.
For shame.
|