We DRAFTED a kicker that only made 77% of his collegiate field goals?!

[bengal kitten uk]

(04-29-2017, 06:57 PM)BonnieBengal Wrote:  School’s record-holder for consecutive PAT made with 202 straight ... Also holds school’s all-time scoring record with 445 points (202 PAT/81 FG) … Moved past Stephen Gostkowski (369 points) and DeAngelo Williams (362) to take the program’s all-time scoring mark ... First on career chart for most points by kicking ... Became only second player in program history to lead team in scoring all four seasons, joining former kicker John Butler (1986-89) in that club ... Holds Memphis kicking all-time kicking records for points kicking (445 points), PAT made (202), PAT attempts (202), FG made (81) and FG attempts (104) ... First in school history in FG percentage (77.9; 81-of-104) ... Holds school record for longest FG with his 56-yarder at USF in 2013 ... Has kicked four of the five longest FG in program history, including the top four (56, 54, 53, 53) ... Of his 330 kickoffs, 210 were touchbacks (63.6 percent) ... Career kickoff yardage average is 63.7 yards. 

I see what you're trying to do here by posting stats, but NFL.com's draft profile says he has a weak leg that can't kick it deep so those 210 touchbacks must all have been wind-assisted. 

[BonnieBengal]

(04-30-2017, 07:53 AM)bengal kitten uk Wrote: I see what you're trying to do here by posting stats, but NFL.com's draft profile says he has a weak leg that can't kick it deep so those 210 touchbacks must all have been wind-assisted. 

LOL. Simmons said during his press conference that he worked out Gonzalez, Elliott, and another kicker, and Elliott was chosen because  he was superior in kickoffs.  He also said Gonzalez has kicked mostly in climates like Arizona, and it's much different here.  So those were his reasons for choosing Elliott.  He also said Elliott is not a lock.  He has to compete with Bullock.

[Whatever]

(04-30-2017, 05:49 AM)BonnieBengal Wrote: I watched Simmons' press conference.  He said he worked out Gonzalez, Elliott, and somebody from Georgia Tech.  He said the difference was the kickoffs, and he chose Elliott because he was better at kickoffs.  He also said Gonzalez was kicking in a different climate in Arizona than he would have here.  I trust his judgment.  Plus he said it's not a done deal.  Elliott will compete with Bullock for the position.

Plus, there are other factors with being an NFL K.  For all the concerns about his kickoffs, he never had one returned for a TD in college.  He gets kicks off quickly, and has only had one blocked.  He is 3 for 6 in successful onside kick attempts.  Plus,he's not a guy who lets an early miss rattle him.  How many times did we watch Nugent just completely implode?

[Okeana]

lmao you guys will literally complain about everything

[eoxyod]

(04-30-2017, 08:22 AM)BonnieBengal Wrote:  He also said Elliott is not a lock.  He has to compete with Bullock.

Lol
A specialist picked before the 7th round is basically guaranteed a roster spot

I actually read up on him from someone who was a Memphis fan, and they said his misses in college were mostly on the outside hash, and they would have been NFL makes. So I'm assuming a lot of his kicks are pretty straightline

[BonnieBengal]

(04-30-2017, 03:24 PM)eoxyod Wrote: Lol
A specialist picked before the 7th round is basically guaranteed a roster spot

I actually read up on him from someone who was a Memphis fan, and they said his misses in college were mostly on the outside hash, and they would have been NFL makes. So I'm assuming a lot of his kicks are pretty straightline

Good.  Bullock has already let us down in a game.

[*bfine32*]

(04-29-2017, 04:51 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yeah.

I will say that the mental makeup of a kid is important and the person that brought up the OCD made a great point. Kicking is probably 90% mental in the NFL.

Pretty sure you're just kinda making this up. Gonzalea's numbers were nowhere near Aguayo's in college and was nowhere near as promising. This is why Aguayo went in the 2nd and Gonzalez went in the 7th.

[bengal kitten uk]

A nice human story about Jake Elliott's background: http://www.nfl.com/videos/good-morning-football/0ap3000000800909/NFL-Draft-Stories-Jake-Elliott

Apparently, he got into football after taking part in a kicking competition at a high school pep rally!

[BengalFanInNJ]

(04-30-2017, 03:30 PM)BonnieBengal Wrote: Good.  Bullock has already let us down in a game.

Not necessarily. He makes that kick against the Texans, Bengals would probably have a totally different draft.

[Ravage]

(04-29-2017, 03:59 PM)BoBengal Wrote: Seriously...?

Keep in mind the college goal posts are ~6-8' WIDER than the NFL (making college kicking easier), the kicks are lower-pressure (and at Memphis he never played in any MAJOR games), and the block-rushing athletes are typically slower with less vertical ability.

The most disappointing pick thus far in the draft.  

Also keep in mind he missed nothing at all under 30 yds (a BIG problem around here last year), and he hit 10, 50+ yd FG's in his career (another thing frequently missing around here). Oh, and there's the whole hash marks being wider in college, resulting in more angled kicks (which doesn't make them easier)

(04-30-2017, 05:49 AM)BonnieBengal Wrote: He also said Gonzalez was kicking in a different climate in Arizona than he would have here.

^^ THIS. Tempe is about 1,100 ft above sea level, and then there's the lack of humidity and the heat. All three factors play into how well a ball flies. They may not make a huge impact individually, but take all three together and a kicker from 1,100 ft in 85 degrees with 0 humidity will look much different at sea level, 35 degrees and rain/slush.

[BonnieBengal]

(04-30-2017, 09:02 PM)BengalFanInNJ Wrote: Not necessarily. He makes that kick against the Texans, Bengals would probably have a totally different draft.

We cannot think like that.  We can't go through our season thinking a win will hurt us in the draft!!!

[BonnieBengal]

(04-30-2017, 08:41 PM)bengal kitten uk Wrote: A nice human story about Jake Elliott's background: http://www.nfl.com/videos/good-morning-football/0ap3000000800909/NFL-Draft-Stories-Jake-Elliott

Apparently, he got into football after taking part in a kicking competition at a high school pep rally!

This was really great to watch.  

[kentuck1163]

The guy kicked a 52-yard field goal on the VERY FIRST year he ever played football - as a junior in high school.

Elliott kicked the fourth longest field goal in bowl game history. The kick was a 54 yarder extended the Tigers into a second overtime where they won the Miami Beach Bowl in double overtime, 55-48 (Who above said he had never kicked in pressure??????)

His longest in college play was a 56-yarder. His longest in practice was a 70 yarder!

PERFECT 202/202 on extra points....

I'm sold on this pick.

[TSwigZ]

You guys are over dramatizing let's give the kid a chance before booing him off the roster... he can't be worse than nugent was last year and will be on a shorter leash plus he has to beat out bullock in preseason which hopefully he'll do

[*Nately120*]

(04-30-2017, 09:02 PM)BengalFanInNJ Wrote: Not necessarily. He makes that kick against the Texans, Bengals would probably have a totally different draft.

Too bad the Browns didn't sweep us, too.  Damn Nugent for making that kick against the Jets!  No wonder he was fired!

[Essex Johnson]

(04-29-2017, 03:59 PM)BoBengal Wrote: Seriously...?

Keep in mind the college goal posts are ~6-8' WIDER than the NFL (making college kicking easier), the kicks are lower-pressure (and at Memphis he never played in any MAJOR games), and the block-rushing athletes are typically slower with less vertical ability.

The most disappointing pick thus far in the draft.  

PLEASE send tape of the recent workout you had with him...