O line struggeling

[*ochocincos*]

(08-09-2017, 02:34 PM)Wyche Wrote: Nice options.....or......dare I say it.......a good FA C if one's available. 

If Burfict and Eifert are indeed extended, there likely won't be $$ for that.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/cap/2018/

For the record, the above link contains the $6.66 mill for Jones and the $8.5 million for Dennard's 5th year option. Either or both could be dropped before their final contract takes effect though, freeing up a good chunk of $$.

EDIT - Or LaFell's $4 mill or $5 mill of MJ's $6.125 mill can be taken off the books if cut.

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(08-09-2017, 02:39 PM)ochocincos Wrote: If Burfict and Eifert are indeed extended, there likely won't be $$ for that.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/cap/2018/

For the record, the above link contains the $6.66 mill for Jones and the $8.5 million for Dennard's 5th year option. Either or both could be dropped before their final contract takes effect though, freeing up a good chunk of $$.

EDIT - Or LaFell's $4 mill or $5 mill of MJ's $6.125 mill can be taken off the books if cut.

Thanks for the numbers. :andy:

[*ochocincos*]

(08-09-2017, 02:45 PM)Wyche Wrote: Thanks for the numbers. :andy:

[Whatever]

(08-09-2017, 01:34 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: You don't know that he's making brilliant calls out there. We do know that he grades out poorly by PFF.

Dhani Jones started on other teams in the NFL. I doubt that Bodine would. He's a backup at best on most teams and maybe even out of the league like Maualuga.

No, I don't know that for a fact.  However, if you want to use PFF grades, he graded out as average at like 77 iirc.

Being fair, Dhani was a starter for other teams, but was out on the street mid season.

At the end of the day, Bodine has been a weak link since he came here.  However, he's also been the whipping boy for the rest of the OL durng that span.  Is he that good. No.  Is he as terrible as some claim?  No.

[Whatever]

(08-09-2017, 02:27 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I would be fine with Bodine being a backup. He's a decent backup option. But with the current roster, I don't think there's a good option to start over him. Westerman or TJ Johnson might be better than Bodine, but I feel at this point it's more than a hope rather than a certainty.

If he flounders again this year, I really want to see a center with experience at that position in college drafted by the Bengals within the first three rounds. Given the Bengals' lack of priority for investing a first round draft pick at the position, I'll hope for someone like Frank Ragnow in the second or third round (currently where projected according to CBS Sports).
https://withthefirstpick.com/2017/07/19/frank-ragnow-arkansas-2018-nfl-draft-scouting-report/
https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-2018-prospect-profile-arkansas-frank-ragnow-leads-the-pack-at-center

Personally, I hope that there's a Mack/Pouncey/Fredericks type available in the first.  

[*ochocincos*]

(08-09-2017, 03:16 PM)Whatever Wrote: Personally, I hope that there's a Mack/Pouncey/Fredericks type available in the first.  

I'd love that too, but I'd love it even more if the Bengals pounced on said player.

[THE PISTONS]

(08-09-2017, 02:34 PM)Wyche Wrote: Nice options.....or......dare I say it.......a good FA C if one's available. 

We only have $18.6 million in cap space. We couldn't sign a Center and be able to sign Eifert and Burfict. Haha

[THE PISTONS]

(08-09-2017, 02:39 PM)ochocincos Wrote: If Burfict and Eifert are indeed extended, there likely won't be $$ for that.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cincinnati-bengals/cap/2018/

For the record, the above link contains the $6.66 mill for Jones and the $8.5 million for Dennard's 5th year option. Either or both could be dropped before their final contract takes effect though, freeing up a good chunk of $$.

EDIT - Or LaFell's $4 mill or $5 mill of MJ's $6.125 mill can be taken off the books if cut.

Do you really think the Bengals will extend BOTH Eifert and Burfict before the season starts?

Nick Mangold likely wouldn't break the bank if they signed him.

With the cap slated to rise next year we could easily sign Mangold and still extend Eifert and Burfict. I'm guessing we won't extend both during the offseason though.

[THE PISTONS]

(08-09-2017, 02:58 PM)Whatever Wrote: No, I don't know that for a fact.  However, if you want to use PFF grades, he graded out as average at like 77 iirc.

Being fair, Dhani was a starter for other teams, but was out on the street mid season.

At the end of the day, Bodine has been a weak link since he came here.  However, he's also been the whipping boy for the rest of the OL durng that span.  Is he that good. No.  Is he as terrible as some claim?  No.

Was he the weak link on the offensive line? Yes.

Well until Ced got here and maybe Fisher.

[THE PISTONS]

(08-09-2017, 03:17 PM)ochocincos Wrote: I'd love that too, but I'd love it even more if the Bengals pounced on said player.

Spending a 1st Round pick on a Center is a waste because if they turn into an All-Pro the Bengals would never retain them once their contract is up.

It's obvious that the Bengals won't pay big money for G and C. Despite the fact that Guards are getting paid more around the league as the evolution of the league makes G more important.

[Whatever]

(08-09-2017, 09:08 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Spending a 1st Round pick on a Center is a waste because if they turn into an All-Pro the Bengals would never retain them once their contract is up.

It's obvious that the Bengals won't pay big money for G and C. Despite the fact that Guards are getting paid more around the league as the evolution of the league makes G more important.

I wouldn't call it a waste.  We'd at least have an All Pro C for 5 years.  

As the cap escalates, everyone gets more money.  Guards are still not highly paid players.  Bolling is 25th this year in the NFL amongst Guards in average pay at $5.2 mil and and Andre is tied for 29th at $3.25 mil.  The median for a starting guard is still only $3 mil.  The Patriots highest paid G is Joe Thuney at just over $800k.  There are only 6 G's in the league averaging over $10 mil a year, only 25 making over $5 mil a year, and only 61 making over $1 mil.  By comparison, there's 83 S's, 92 CB's, 138 LB's, 70 DT's, 
81 DE's, 81 T's, and 100 WR's that average $1 mil or more per year.  Zeitler is the highest paid G in the league, but still only tied for the 69th highest paid player.  Among non-specialists, only FB's, TE's, and C's have a smaller max contract.  Interesting side note, but TJ Johnson is actually the NFL's 22nd highest paid C.

[*ochocincos*]

(08-09-2017, 09:04 PM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Do you really think the Bengals will extend BOTH Eifert and Burfict before the season starts?

Nick Mangold likely wouldn't break the bank if they signed him.

With the cap slated to rise next year we could easily sign Mangold and still extend Eifert and Burfict. I'm guessing we won't extend both during the offseason though.

No, I don't. But what I think will happen and what actually happens sometimes aren't the same.
But if the Bengals don't re-sign both before the season, they'll just take whatever they have left and call it rollover for next year for the same purpose...in hopes of re-signing players. Endless cycle.

[THE PISTONS]

(08-10-2017, 12:29 AM)Whatever Wrote: I wouldn't call it a waste.  We'd at least have an All Pro C for 5 years.  

As the cap escalates, everyone gets more money.  Guards are still not highly paid players.  Bolling is 25th this year in the NFL amongst Guards in average pay at $5.2 mil and and Andre is tied for 29th at $3.25 mil.  The median for a starting guard is still only $3 mil.  The Patriots highest paid G is Joe Thuney at just over $800k.  There are only 6 G's in the league averaging over $10 mil a year, only 25 making over $5 mil a year, and only 61 making over $1 mil.  By comparison, there's 83 S's, 92 CB's, 138 LB's, 70 DT's, 
81 DE's, 81 T's, and 100 WR's that average $1 mil or more per year.  Zeitler is the highest paid G in the league, but still only tied for the 69th highest paid player.  Among non-specialists, only FB's, TE's, and C's have a smaller max contract.  Interesting side note, but TJ Johnson is actually the NFL's 22nd highest paid C.

Nah...you develop him for 2-3 years. Then right when he hits his stride he leaves.

It's the Zeitler scenario.

[Whatever]

(08-10-2017, 09:17 AM)ochocincos Wrote: No, I don't. But what I think will happen and what actually happens sometimes aren't the same.
But if the Bengals don't re-sign both before the season, they'll just take whatever they have left and call it rollover for next year for the same purpose...in hopes of re-signing players. Endless cycle.

I think Burfict gets done this year.  The money they rollover will go to the FT on Eifert next year.

[THE PISTONS]

(08-10-2017, 09:17 AM)ochocincos Wrote: No, I don't. But what I think will happen and what actually happens sometimes aren't the same.
But if the Bengals don't re-sign both before the season, they'll just take whatever they have left and call it rollover for next year for the same purpose...in hopes of re-signing players. Endless cycle.

Yeah...we've kept cap space for extensions.

Yet lost: Jones, Sanu, Whitworth, Zeitler, Peko (team didn't want him), Reggie Nelson, etc. Those are some core guys.

We draft maybe 1 starter a year. We've definitely lost more than we gained even if you assume Ross and Mixon will be good players.

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(08-10-2017, 12:29 AM)Whatever Wrote: I wouldn't call it a waste.  We'd at least have an All Pro C for 5 years.  

As the cap escalates, everyone gets more money.  Guards are still not highly paid players.  Bolling is 25th this year in the NFL amongst Guards in average pay at $5.2 mil and and Andre is tied for 29th at $3.25 mil.  The median for a starting guard is still only $3 mil.  The Patriots highest paid G is Joe Thuney at just over $800k.  There are only 6 G's in the league averaging over $10 mil a year, only 25 making over $5 mil a year, and only 61 making over $1 mil.  By comparison, there's 83 S's, 92 CB's, 138 LB's, 70 DT's, 
81 DE's, 81 T's, and 100 WR's that average $1 mil or more per year.  Zeitler is the highest paid G in the league, but still only tied for the 69th highest paid player.  Among non-specialists, only FB's, TE's, and C's have a smaller max contract.  Interesting side note, but TJ Johnson is actually the NFL's 22nd highest paid C.

I would love a 1st round center to anchor our OL. The problem is I have yet to see one in the last 3 or 4 years that was close to a Pouncey, Mangold or others. They are hard to find sure fire 1st round centers that will be an all pro quickly.

[*SHRacerX*]

(08-07-2017, 12:30 PM)Whatever Wrote: What we know is that Robinson was working as the #2 LT in Jax until Albert retired.  They either didn't see the potential or need to move him to RG.  I think it's a huge stretch to say he could have come in and been an immediate high caliber starter in a position he never played before on a side he never played before as a rookie.  

As far as Cam and Og as LT's, why would you make that trade and sacrifice a RB, DE, and WR with starter potential for a LT that isn't any better than the one you have?  And Robinson will struggle even more trying to learn RG and LT at the NFL level at the same time.  If he's not an improvement, help other positions and improve the OL next year.

I don't think it is a huge stretch at all given his performance at Bama and his mountainous size and strength.  And I think you are getting a little lost on the plan that I, and it would appear Jax, would have for Cam.  He competes at LT with Ced, either Ced improves and wins the job (we win) or Cam is BETTER and he wins the job...either way, the LT is better.  The move to RG would be in case Ced wins the job, and I do believe he could start right away at RG.  

And the "sacrifice" of  RB, DE, or WR would be because we have quite a few of them, and not ANY competition for Ced at LT and thus far (it's early) it appears that although he is bigger and stronger, he still is getting dusted.  

[*ochocincos*]

I fear Myles Garrett is going to tee off against Cedric Ogbuehi this year.
And I'm sorry, but if Ogbuehi sucks again this year, I'm pulling the cord on him next offseason and looking for a replacement in FA and/or first round of the draft.
I'd even be willing to let Eifert walk if it means finding a good LT. LT is more important than a playmaking TE.

EDIT - Didn't mean to imply cutting Ogbuehi, just meaning to demote him to OL depth.

[Socal Bengals fan]

#70 already cost us one season , if he cost us a second this year is ship out of town. Somewhere where Lawson could tee off twice a year.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(08-11-2017, 10:23 AM)ochocincos Wrote: I fear Myles Garrett is going to tee off against Cedric Ogbuehi this year.
And I'm sorry, but if Ogbuehi sucks again this year, I'm pulling the cord on him next offseason and looking for a replacement in FA and/or first round of the draft.
I'd even be willing to let Eifert walk if it means finding a good LT. LT is more important than a playmaking TE.

EDIT - Didn't mean to imply cutting Ogbuehi, just meaning to demote him to OL depth.

Heard Garrett had a good preseason game, didn't see the game or any highlights though.

Is a bit concerning. Holding out hope Og is much better this season. We cannot throw this season down the drain like
we did last year if he is the clear weakness. We will have to move players around much earlier. Last season that was a
disgrace leaving Og in so long when we still had a chance at the Playoffs.