Dalton's make or break year

[*rfaulk34*]

9th year in the league and this is his, what...5th make or break year?

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(07-14-2019, 06:26 PM)t3r3e3 Wrote: When the QB turns it over 8 times, produces one TD, and a passer rating in the 50’s you’re playing from behind and losing time of possession.  In other words, teams are running on you because you’re losing.  While it’s not all on Andy, his pathetic play was a major reason they lost.  The bottom line is Dalton is not elite.  He’s never going to be a guy who can elevate average personnel groupings to excellence.  If the Bengals don’t build an elite defense and a far better o line Dalton likely will never sniff a Playoff win, let alone a Super Bowl.

No, he's not elite.  No one is saying that.  What people ARE saying is that when the QB is off, (like the Bengals' run in 88, and the win in 90, or Pig Pen's disastrous 34.5 PR in a SB WIN), is that the coaching staff and other parts of the team step up and win the game.  That NEVER happened under Mediocre Merv.  Hell, we even wasted Cedric Benson's monster rushing game in the 09 playoffs.  Marvin was outclassed every time we stepped on the field in the playoffs, and in a lot of big prime time games (which is usually against playoff caliber teams).

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(07-15-2019, 02:37 AM)Socal Bengals fan Wrote: The year is 2045 , Trump the 4th is President, California has united with Mexico, we are still debating if Dalton is our guy.   Good times ahead

Hey, at least you'll be the only one that thought Andy Dalton played QB in 2009 for the Bengals.

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(07-15-2019, 02:40 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: 9th year in the league and this is his, what...5th make or break year?

No.  Not at all.

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(07-14-2019, 04:26 PM)Forever Spinning Vinyl Wrote: Boomer had three winning seasons out of 14 and only because they were #1 in rushing ('88), #2 in rushing ('86) and #3 '(90).

The 11 seasons Boomer didn't have a top ranked rushing team to carry him, he was a losing QB.

And Boomer is considered a god around here while Dalton is the one who "can't do anything without great talent around him".

[*rfaulk34*]

(07-15-2019, 04:06 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No.  Not at all.

Title of the thread says so. 

[*rfaulk34*]

(07-15-2019, 04:13 PM)fredtoast Wrote: And Boomer is considered a god around here while Dalton is the one who "can't do anything without great talent around him".

Play in a SB vs. can't win a first round playoff game will get you that. 

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(07-15-2019, 05:12 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Play in a SB vs. can't win a first round playoff game will get you that. 

Not if you need the number one rush offense in the league to carry your ass in the postseason.  Boomer never had a single winning season with out a running game that was top 3 in the league.

So thanks for proving my point about the Dalton haters around here.

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(07-15-2019, 05:10 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Title of the thread says so. 

No it doesn't.  Not at all.

[*rfaulk34*]

(07-15-2019, 05:53 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Not if you need the number one rush offense in the league to carry your ass in the postseason.  Boomer never had a single winning season with out a running game that was top 3 in the league.

So thanks for proving my point about the Dalton haters around here.

It's not just Dalton haters. It's the way it is anywhere. Players are held to a higher esteem when they have seasons like Kenny and Boomer did. 

MVP+SB appearance is going to get you way more love than losing 4 straight first round playoff games, numbers be damned. 

[*Nately120*]

(07-15-2019, 05:53 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Not if you need the number one rush offense in the league to carry your ass in the postseason.  Boomer never had a single winning season with out a running game that was top 3 in the league.

So thanks for proving my point about the Dalton haters around here.

Let's face it, we have had zero HOF QBs in 50+ years.  Call it Bengals hate all you want, but the numbers don't lie.  We can't even live in the past.  

[XenoMorph]

Well lose to many more linemen and he will definitely be broken by years end

[XenoMorph]

(07-15-2019, 06:05 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: It's not just Dalton haters. It's the way it is anywhere. Players are held to a higher esteem when they have seasons like Kenny and Boomer did. 

MVP+SB appearance is going to get you way more love than losing 4 straight first round playoff games, numbers be damned. 

So dilfer  > Rivers?

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(07-15-2019, 05:54 PM)fredtoast Wrote: No it doesn't.  Not at all.

I think...you're right.

[*rfaulk34*]

(07-15-2019, 06:13 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: So dilfer  > Rivers?

Did they play on the same team?

[*Nately120*]

(07-15-2019, 06:13 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: So dilfer  > Rivers?

 
Dilfer won a SB with that idiot Marvin Lewis on the coaching staff, so he must have been amazing. 

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(07-15-2019, 06:18 PM)Nately120 Wrote:  
Dilfer won a SB with that idiot Marvin Lewis on the coaching staff, so he must have been amazing. 

Dilfer was a badass.....(or, it could have had something to with the four HOFers on that one team, while the Bengals have ONE HOFer in their entire existence........either way  )

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(07-15-2019, 02:37 AM)Socal Bengals fan Wrote: The year is 2045 , Trump the 4th is President, California has united with Mexico, we are still debating if Dalton is our guy.   Good times ahead

And some still pining for the return of McCarron.

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(07-15-2019, 06:05 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: It's not just Dalton haters. It's the way it is anywhere. Players are held to a higher esteem when they have seasons like Kenny and Boomer did. 

MVP+SB appearance is going to get you way more love than losing 4 straight first round playoff games, numbers be damned. 

We are agreeing 100%.  Fans who do not have a clue what they are talking about will claim Boomer "made players around him better" when in fact the numbers prove that is absolutely wrong.

That is what gets so frustrating around here.  People just make stuff up out of thin air and claim it is true.

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(07-12-2019, 07:56 PM)Socal Bengals fan Wrote: Yes he’s only been absolute dog poop the first 4 playoffs games of his career.  Number 5 baby will be different!!!!  I can see it now.

You are so cute when you try to be clever.

Dalton's first 4 playoff games...…..218.3 yds/gm......57.8 rating

Flacco's first 5 playoff games...…..132.0 yds/gm...….46.5 rating
Flacco's next 10 playoff games.....256.3 yds/gm......104.1 rating (Super Bowl Champion)

Peyton Manning's playoff games first 5 seasons in league (3 games)….186.0 yds/gm.....59.1 rating
Peyton Manning's playoff games rest of his career...…………………….…..282.5 yds/gm.....90.6 rating (2 X Super Bowl Champion)