NFL.com crazies and their mocks

[*ochocincos*]

(03-31-2020, 12:21 PM)BengalChris Wrote: I mean what has she won in the NFL? What qualifies her predictions to be published on NFL.com?

I know what Casserly's qualifications are. I know what MJD's qualifications are. What are Cynthia Frelund's qualifications? Blond hair? She has the first QB being taken at #5. What are the chances of that? 0.001%? Her mock is a waste of storage bits and internet bandwidth.

And for that matter, who is Chad Reuter? What has he ever done?

Frelund is a predictive analytics expert.
Her entire premise on NFL Network is around analytics.
You don't have to play the sport to be able to use analytics to notice trends and make accurate predictions.

[sandwedge]

(03-31-2020, 12:21 PM)BengalChris Wrote: I mean what has she won in the NFL? What qualifies her predictions to be published on NFL.com?

I know what Casserly's qualifications are. I know what MJD's qualifications are. What are Cynthia Frelund's qualifications? Blond hair? She has the first QB being taken at #5. What are the chances of that? 0.001%? Her mock is a waste of storage bits and internet bandwidth.

And for that matter, who is Chad Reuter? What has he ever done?

There are hundreds of twitter accounts, media hacks and quite a few on here that seem to think they know what is going on in the NFL and think they could run the Bengals. Have they ever played in the NFL??

[BengalChris]

(03-31-2020, 12:30 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: She's a Predictive Analysis Expert. She has a Master's Degree in Predictive Analytics (in addition to a bachelor's degree in biology and an MBA specializing in Entrepreneurship & Innovation, Marketing, Finance. Not relevant here, but still noteworthy). 

Here's a summary listing all of her former jobs and positions in a variety of entertainment companies, including NFL.com for the last 4 years and ESPN for the previous 4 years.

Her background in analytics give her a unique understanding of the draft, due to how heavily history factors in to when and where picks are taken and what traits and attributes typically lead to success in the NFL.

But I applaud you on your casual sexism to assume that a woman isn't qualified to speak on manly things like football drafts, especially when someone who qualified by your standards, MJD, just posted a laughably bad mock draft where he has us taking the worst of the top 3 QBs by a country mile haha.

LOL What do any of those degrees have to do with player skill projecting to the NFL? Oh, exactly nothing.

I won't make any excuses for MJD's ridiculous mock. But at least he's got the QBs going at the top of the round, which, if one were to do a statistical analysis of the draft is exactly where you'd expect QBs to be taken in today's game.

 

[*Nately120*]

I love how we are debating on whether advanced degrees in analytics or playing in the actual NFL have any bearing on the ability to scout NFL players when our front office is made up of people with neither upon their resumes.

[CJD]

(03-31-2020, 04:02 PM)BengalChris Wrote: LOL What do any of those degrees have to do with player skill projecting to the NFL? Oh, exactly nothing.

I won't make any excuses for MJD's ridiculous mock. But at least he's got the QBs going at the top of the round, which, if one were to do a statistical analysis of the draft is exactly where you'd expect QBs to be taken in today's game.

 

Read the explanation of her draft dude.
In fact, I'll just post it here for you.

Quote:Now that many big moves have been made in free agency, I re-ran my analytics-based mock draft ... I guess that makes this my Analytics Mock 2.0, which reflects personnel adjustments from free agency but is still based solely on a contextual, data-driven model that aims to do one thing:

Maximize each team's potential to win as many games as possible in 2020.
Just like my Mock 1.0, take note: I am NOT attempting to predict or divine what teams will ACTUALLY DO on draft day. This is not meant to predict how the draft will play out in reality. Rather, I am using this model to, again, examine what teams should do if winning the most games in 2020 is the only goal. The exercise I am taking you through here considers current rosters and the overall market of remaining free agents.

She is making selections based on who adds the most value to each team in 2020 alone. So drafting a rookie QB will not change your team in 2020 as much as a Chase Young or Isaiah Simmons.

I agree it's a stupid and silly concept for a mock draft. But man, the way you are approaching criticizing her is extremely ugly and I recommend you re-evaluate your thought process regarding women in the NFL space. She is more than qualified to post mock drafts on a website hosted by the NFL.

[Bengalstripes9]

Haha, yeah Maurice Jones Drew has us passing on Burrow and drafting Herbert. Yeah, nfl.com is way off. But who cares?

[coachmcneil71]

(03-31-2020, 01:06 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: What does this even mean?

Probably, because he has a cannon for a right arm. AFC North games are often played in harsh or windy weather. I'm just guessing, but it's more than likely where he was coming from. 

[*Nately120*]

(03-31-2020, 05:02 PM)Bengalstripes18 Wrote: Haha, yeah Maurice Jones Drew has us passing on Burrow and drafting Herbert. Yeah, nfl.com is way off. But who cares?

Yeah, they have to talk about something.  I can't imagine it would be very interesting to read 1,000 articles that all say "The Bengals are going to draft Burrow....see you in a few months, maybe."  You have to talk about something.

[BengalsFan1986]

Maurice Jones-Drew has us taking Herbert at #1, and yet some are questioning the merits of the mock draft that has us taking Chase Young, who is consistently called the best player in the draft? I’m not sure I’m following the logic there.

Personally, I like the analytics based mock, as long as you take it for what it is.Its interesting to see what the statistics say is the best path forward. Analytics is a tool that you have to have in your tool box nowadays. A team that uses them solely to make a decision is in trouble, just like a team that ignores them completely.

[PikesPeakUC]

I mean, if we're asking the merits of someone's mock draft because they don't have experience playing in the NFL then we should probably shut this board down and close up shop forever. No one on this board, as far as I know, would be qualified to comment on anything.

But then again, why listen to me? I never played in the NFL.

[McC]

(03-31-2020, 04:09 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: Read the explanation of her draft dude.
In fact, I'll just post it here for you.

She is making selections based on who adds the most value to each team in 2020 alone. So drafting a rookie QB will not change your team in 2020 as much as a Chase Young or Isaiah Simmons.

I agree it's a stupid and silly concept for a mock draft. But man, the way you are approaching criticizing her is extremely ugly and I recommend you re-evaluate your thought process regarding women in the NFL space. She is more than qualified to post mock drafts on a website hosted by the NFL.

Analytics.  Right.  The reason the Browns were to smart to draft Wentz or Mahomes or Watson.  Analytics, also known as the thing that got Sashi Brown fired.

Analytics is a tool.  One tool of many.  You can't run a football team on analytics alone.  Call up Sashi.  He'll tell you.

[McC]

(03-31-2020, 05:53 PM)PikesPeakUC Wrote: I mean, if we're asking the merits of someone's mock draft because they don't have experience playing in the NFL then we should probably shut this board down and close up shop forever. No one on this board, as far as I know, would be qualified to comment on anything.

But then again, why listen to me? I never played in the NFL.

Isn't there at least a slight difference between Joe Blow on a message board doing a mock and someone being paid to do it on NFLN?  One could reasonably expect a paid professional to have qualifications beyond owning a tv and having cable.

[CJD]

(03-31-2020, 08:18 PM)McC Wrote: Analytics.  Right.  The reason the Browns were to smart to draft Wentz or Mahomes or Watson.  Analytics, also known as the thing that got Sashi Brown fired.

Analytics is a tool.  One tool of many.  You can't run a football team on analytics alone.  Call up Sashi.  He'll tell you.

I agree. Analytics is something to augment scouting, not define it. I've already said the mock draft is stupid because no team would ever draft for just one season. But she already said that in the opening paragraph.

[McC]

(03-31-2020, 08:26 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I agree. Analytics is something to augment scouting, not define it. I've already said the mock draft is stupid because no team would ever draft for just one season. But she already said that in the opening paragraph.

I would say that probably every team in the league has an analytics specialist on their staff.  Baseball is basically run by it and football is probably not too far behind.  But there is definitely a lot of pertinent information that it will never be able to tell you.

[bengals1969]

(03-31-2020, 11:56 AM)jason Wrote: Yeah... Her mock is based purely off of analytics. Chase Young is still the most "can't miss" prospect in the draft. He's just not the pick for us.

Analytics is a fancy word for guessing using a computer.  Another name for it, my preferred name for it is GIGO.

[bengaloo]

(03-31-2020, 08:52 PM)bengals1969 Wrote: Analytics is a fancy word for guessing using a computer.  Another name for it, my preferred name for it is GIGO.

GIGO is right. That is exactly what her mock says to me.

[TheSweetness]

(04-01-2020, 01:24 AM)bengaloo Wrote: GIGO is right. That is exactly what her mock says to me.

Isn't that like 90% of the media? I mean really why is she the only one you guys are upset about? What did Todd Mcshay, Mel Kiper, Wilbon, Kornheiser, literally most of the people on ESPN or whatever network ever do in the NFL? Half of the actual NFL players that are on TV sound like absolute idiots when they do talk and are very biased. Playing one position in a sport doesn't make you a savant, smart in that sport as a whole, or know how to run a team.

I ran on the Track and Field team at a high competitive level...that doesn't mean I should be telling people how to do the long jump, pole vault, 10k, or shot put.

[motoarch]

It's just them trying to have something the write about.

Pickings are slim right now with the way things are and if they all write the same boring obvious picks then why would we read any of it?

Stop worrying about what they write. Only thing that matters is why actually happens on draft day.

They're just shaking things up so it stays interesting.

[TecmoBengals]

Alright, here's some reasonable with actual positive comments about the Bengals.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2884272-2020-nfl-mock-draft-matt-millers-post-free-agency-predictions#slide1

"What can be said is that Burrow is a very talented quarterback who is stepping into a situation that's much better than it might seem. The Bengals have A.J. Green and Jonah Williams returning from injury. They have Joe Mixon and Tyler Boyd. And they've spent money on defense to bolster that side of the ball."

[McC]

(04-01-2020, 01:06 PM)TecmoBengals Wrote: Alright, here's some reasonable with actual positive comments about the Bengals.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2884272-2020-nfl-mock-draft-matt-millers-post-free-agency-predictions#slide1

"What can be said is that Burrow is a very talented quarterback who is stepping into a situation that's much better than it might seem. The Bengals have A.J. Green and Jonah Williams returning from injury. They have Joe Mixon and Tyler Boyd. And they've spent money on defense to bolster that side of the ball."

He's just trying to be a rebel amongst his peers by using common sense and reason to talk about the Bengals.  He may be ostracized as a result.