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(10-18-2015, 11:10 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: The ball never hit the ground on the Tate play.
Yeah. Because he didn't even have it!
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He went to the ground without it.
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The Tate play should have been an INT. But the NFL was for some reason afraid to flat out admit their officials blew it and in the process directly caused the outcome of the game to change.
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(10-18-2015, 11:14 PM)Joelist Wrote: The Tate play should have been an INT. But the NFL was for some reason afraid to flat out admit their officials blew it and in the process directly caused the outcome of the game to change.
LOL. They OVERTURNED the call. That is what is so bizarre here.
So, if Eifert would have flipped the ball into the air and it would have gotten picked off, it would have been a TD?
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When players and even coaches don't know what a catch is anymore, something needs changed
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(10-18-2015, 11:14 PM)Joelist Wrote: The Tate play should have been an INT. But the NFL was for some reason afraid to flat out admit their officials blew it and in the process directly caused the outcome of the game to change.
That's twice in his career this has been a headline.
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Because refs have no idea what a catch is.
How else can you explain the fact that Bills #85 can drag the ball across the ground and still have it called a catch, but Eifert can catch it and get into the end zone with possession before losing it to the ground and it not be a catch.
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incompetence? inconsistency? bias? controlling the game?
take your pick, all are so prevalent you can't lose
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(10-18-2015, 11:03 PM)EatonFan Wrote: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000559663/article/dean-blandino-on-why-golden-tate-play-ruled-a-td
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2015092707/2015/REG3/bengals@ravens#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000541000&tab=videos
How are these two plays called differently?
Not a catch. No way he showed he had complete possession or had control long enough be considered a runner. Eifert's was more of a catch and TD than Tate's ever will be.
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Wow, the Eifert calling and the Tate calling are so contradictory. They really need to figure this out, and fast.
In my opinion, the Eifert catch was more of a catch than that Tate play. I don't see how he was any more of a runner than Eifert was. We shouldn't be surprised though, the refs this year have been terrible.
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(10-18-2015, 11:31 PM)zygrot24 Wrote: When players and even coaches don't know what a catch is anymore, something needs changed
Exactly. It is getting ridiculous the amount of rules and drama in the NFL. Hopefully at some point a new commish will come along and right some wrongs from the Goodell era.
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I dont even pretend to try and know what constitutes a NFL catch, once the referees go under the hood its a 50/50 crap shoot!
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(10-18-2015, 11:03 PM)EatonFan Wrote: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000559663/article/dean-blandino-on-why-golden-tate-play-ruled-a-td
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2015092707/2015/REG3/bengals@ravens#menu=gameinfo|contentId%3A0ap3000000541000&tab=videos
How are these two plays called differently?
Here's my problem with the Tate call: if that happened anywhere else on the field it would be ruled an INT, not a catch and fumble. Yet, somehow in this instance it's a catch and fumble.
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(10-19-2015, 08:42 AM)PhilHos Wrote: Here's my problem with the Tate call: if that happened anywhere else on the field it would be ruled an INT, not a catch and fumble. Yet, somehow in this instance it's a catch and fumble.
Along with Tate falling to the ground without the football. Like I said in the OP... How can these be called so differently when it's almost an identical play? They both caught the ball and crossed the goal line. Both are TDs IMHO.
If anything, Tate's is a bit more iffy.
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(10-19-2015, 11:19 PM)EatonFan Wrote: Along with Tate falling to the ground without the football. Like I said in the OP... How can these be called so differently when it's almost an identical play? They both caught the ball and crossed the goal line. Both are TDs IMHO.
If anything, Tate's is a bit more iffy.
Tate was in the end zone when he caught the ball and he wasn't going to the ground as he made the catch. Once he has control and the 2nd foot down--in the end zone--play over, touchdown.
Eifert was in the field of play as he was gaining possession and stretched the ball out, over the end zone line, as he was going to the ground. Since he was going to the ground with possession of the ball, he has to complete the catch.
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(10-20-2015, 12:16 AM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Tate was in the end zone when he caught the ball and he wasn't going to the ground as he made the catch. Once he has control and the 2nd foot down--in the end zone--play over, touchdown.
Eifert was in the field of play as he was gaining possession and stretched the ball out, over the end zone line, as he was going to the ground. Since he was going to the ground with possession of the ball, he has to complete the catch.
Eifert had full control of the ball BEFORE he stretched it over the goal line. This makes him a runner. It's a TD. The going to the ground does not matter.
Tate also went to the ground... without the ball.
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(10-20-2015, 12:19 AM)EatonFan Wrote: Eifert had full control of the ball BEFORE he stretched it over the goal line. This makes him a runner. It's a TD. The going to the ground does not matter.
Tate also went to the ground... without the ball.
It DOES matter because it's a rule. Him going to the ground was a fluid motion as he was catching the ball. He didn't catch it, take steps (establishing a catch) and then go to the ground while being tackled. It was one continuous motion.
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