Atkins and Dunlap Frustrated with Being Phased Out

[Big Boss]

(10-20-2020, 01:24 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Did something new come out?  Did he say something?

Word is he expressed frustration with the staff, and he removed the Bengals from his Instagram bio.

[Sled21]

(10-20-2020, 01:24 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: Did something new come out?  Did he say something?

Evidently he and Carlos have made another "statement" by removing Bengals from their twitter profile somehow. I'm not on twitter, so I don't know the specifics

[Sled21]

(10-20-2020, 01:23 PM)ochocincos Wrote: The Bengals are about to play their 7th game and he's been active for the past two already. He definitely needs to be playing more than 30% of the snaps. His run defense is underrated, he's not just a pass rush specialist. Let him earn that pay.

The Bengals need to find out if he's worth keeping around for the last 1-2 years of his contract.

I believe the plan was to work him in and make sure he can handle more snaps without reinjuring it. If that's not good enough for him, then make him play 100% of the snaps and if his shoulder blows out screw him and cut him. I'm done with these whinebags. 

[fredtoast]

(10-20-2020, 01:28 PM)Sled21 Wrote:  I'm done with these whinebags. 

WTF?!?!?

Geno wants to play MORE not LESS.

[Sled21]

(10-20-2020, 01:33 PM)fredtoast Wrote: WTF?!?!?

Geno wants to play MORE not LESS.

I get that. And the way for him to do that is increase his plays steadily, while showing that he is effective while doing that. Has anyone seen an effective Geno on any play this year? He's listening to Dunlap too much. Put him in for 100% or plays. Sink or swim Geno.

[Wes Mantooth]

(10-20-2020, 01:34 PM)Sled21 Wrote:  He's listening to Dunlap too much.

What, are you bugging the locker room?

Maybe Dunlap is listening to Geno too much.  Maybe Geno is his own man, with his own issues, and isn't listening to anyone.  Maybe being frustrated isn't the same as being a diva.  Maybe all of this is blown completely out of proportion.

We don't know anything other than a few reports/rumors.  I don't think we can speculate on Geno's motivations.

[Sled21]

(10-20-2020, 01:39 PM)Wes Mantooth Wrote: What, are you bugging the locker room?

Maybe Dunlap is listening to Geno too much.  Maybe Geno is his own man, with his own issues, and isn't listening to anyone.  Maybe being frustrated isn't the same as being a diva.  Maybe all of this is blown completely out of proportion.

We don't know anything other than a few reports/rumors.  I don't think we can speculate on Geno's motivations.

So don't speculate. He said he wants more snaps.... so give them to him. All of them. If his shoulder doesn't hold, then that's on him.

[fredtoast]

(10-20-2020, 01:34 PM)Sled21 Wrote: I get that. And the way for him to do that is increase his plays steadily, 

How do you know this?

It was a shoulder injury.  There is no reason he could not have kept his cardio fitness at a top level while out with a shoulder injury.

So how do you know he isn't ready to play 60%-70% of the snaps?

Just because ZAC TAYLOR says he isn't?  

[fredtoast]

(10-20-2020, 01:44 PM)Sled21 Wrote: So don't speculate. He said he wants more snaps.... so give them to him. All of them. If his shoulder doesn't hold, then that's on him.

Why should he play every snap when he has never played every snap before?

That would be an extremely stupid thing to do?  Why are you suggesting it?

How dare a former Pro Bowl player question a head coach with three wins in 22 games, right?

[Sled21]

(10-20-2020, 01:44 PM)fredtoast Wrote: How do you know this?

It was a shoulder injury.  There is no reason he could not have kept his cardio fitness at a top level while out with a shoulder injury.

So how do you know he isn't ready to play 60%-70% of the snaps?

Just because ZAC TAYLOR says he isn't?  

No, smart guy. There are medical staff and trainers. The smart move is to let him play 20-25%, evaluate, move him to 30-35%, evaluate, etc. Instead of just giving him the full load at the beginning then finding out when you lose him for the season he was not ready. I don't know why easing an injured player back into the lineup is only a bad thing when the Bengals do it.

[J24]

Wait were mad at players for wanting to play?

[fredtoast]

(10-20-2020, 01:46 PM)Sled21 Wrote: No, smart guy. There are medical staff and trainers. The smart move is to let him play 20-25%, evaluate, move him to 30-35%, evaluate, etc. Instead of just giving him the full load at the beginning then finding out when you lose him for the season he was not ready. I don't know why easing an injured player back into the lineup is only a bad thing when the Bengals do it.

With a shoulder injury he is either ready to play or he isn't.  If he is at risk of re-injuring the shoulder then he should not be playing at all because he could just as easily re-injure it playing 20 snaps as 50.

[fredtoast]

(10-20-2020, 01:48 PM)J24 Wrote: Wait were mad at players for wanting to play?

Yes.

Wanting to play makes them "whinebags".

[Sled21]

(10-20-2020, 01:48 PM)fredtoast Wrote: With a shoulder injury he is either ready to play or he isn't.  If he is at risk of re-injuring the shoulder then he should not be playing at all because he could just as easily re-injure it playing 20 snaps as 50.

OK, let me ask you this. How many snaps in the last 2 games have you seen Geno make a difference on?

[Housh]

(10-20-2020, 11:56 AM)ochocincos Wrote: We'll see what Atkins ends up doing by year's end, but I would think he needs to put up 5+ sacks through the last 10 games to justify keeping him beyond this year. Basically, he needs to maintain 0.5 sacks per game average. He was higher than that average in 2015-2018 but he did not average that last year.

He's set to be paid $14.8 mill in 2021 and $16 mill in 2022.

He’s not seeing that even if he finishes with the product you suggest

[Sled21]

(10-20-2020, 01:48 PM)J24 Wrote: Wait were mad at players for wanting to play?

No, mad at them over their social media whinings. If they want to play, great, play better. It really is that simple.

[fredtoast]

(10-20-2020, 01:50 PM)Sled21 Wrote: OK, let me ask you this. How many snaps in the last 2 games have you seen Geno make a difference on?

He has only played a total of 37 snaps.  Without breaking down the film I have no idea how many plays he has made a difference on, but it is hard to make much of an impact in just 37 snaps.  The best DT in the league, Aaron Donald, is only getting 1 sack every 45 snaps (7.5 in 339)

[fredtoast]

(10-20-2020, 01:52 PM)Sled21 Wrote: No, mad at them over their social media whinings. If they want to play, great, play better. It really is that simple.

Better than who?

How many big impact plays has Covington made?  217 snaps, 0 sacks, 0 TFL, 0 QB hits, 14 tkls

[Sled21]

(10-20-2020, 01:57 PM)fredtoast Wrote: He has only played a total of 37 snaps.  Without breaking down the film I have no idea how many plays he has made a difference on, but it is hard to make much of an impact in just 37 snaps.  The best DT in the league, Aaron Donald, is only getting 1 sack every 45 snaps (7.5 in 339)

Let me help you out.... zero stats. No sacks, no pressures, no tackles, no tackles for loss, blanks across the board. He really looks ready for more snaps.

[J24]

(10-20-2020, 01:48 PM)J24 Wrote: Wait were mad at players for wanting to play?

A couple things 

1.) It made sense to play Hubbard and Lawson over Dunlap. Here is the thing though Hubbard wasn't playing.

2.) Having Geno on a snap count makes sense it does.

3.) Here is the thing that really erks me though. You are playing against the number 1 offensive line in the nfl in pass production, up 21, and you are playing the run Defensive Line? How does that make any sense?  Also why were there so many 3 man rushes? None of it makes any sense.