Scoring, or more accurately lack there of

[Nicomo Cosca]

(10-21-2020, 04:16 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: Area of concern for sure, Taylor and Burrow need to raise their game in the Red Zone and finish with TDs., we could have 3 wins with some improvement.

Why is is just Burrow that needs to “raise his game” in the RZ? How about the WR’s who take OPI penalties, or the TE who lets a ball go right through his hands for an INT, or the RB that drops the easiest TD pass of all time...

The numbers looks a lot better if those guys do their jobs.

[*SHRacerX*]

(10-21-2020, 04:46 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: Lou’s so good Zac Turner took away his 3rd down play calling ability and handed them to the LB coach. The only thing the defense is better out statistically this year versus last, is points allowed, passing yards allowed and rushing touchdowns allowed. All other categories are pretty much identical. Total yards, rushing yards, passing TDs all rank within 1 or 2 spots the same as last year.

Same goes for offense, the only improved categories statistically are points scored and rushing touchdowns. Total yards, passing yards, rushing yards, passing TDs all within 1 or 2 spots of the same ranking as last year.

To be fair, what is different between this year's defense and last years?  They have "uninterested Dunlap" this year vs. Pro-Bowl (the last eight weeks) Dunlap last year.  Invisible Geno this year vs. descending Geno last year.  They added Reader, but lost him week 5.  They never got Waynes.  Mckenzie Alexander has been injured.  Josh Bynes has been better than what we had last year and a promising corps of rookie LBs.

I was hoping they could steal (as opposed to piss away) four wins in the first half of the season because I thought the defense would really come on the last half of the season.  I am not so sure now.  They will probably just go young and evaluate.  The offense has been disappointing largely because Green was not at all what we hoped for, Ross has been a disappointment in minimal action and got benched, and the rushing attack hardly picked up where they left off last year.  

[*rfaulk34*]

(10-21-2020, 04:04 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: If you were pumped by Zac Taylor and thought he was an "offensive guru", you did 0 research.

Guy was bad for 5 games in Miami, guy was straight dumpster fire for 1 year in NCAA for Cincinnati, and then he spent 1 year as an ASSISTANT Wide Receivers Coach and then 1 year as a QB Coach (after Goff had already put up a 100+ QB Rating season without him) before being given the keys to HC/Playcaller for the Bengals.

This was honestly one of the most predictable failures there has ever been.

Zac Taylor is a snake oil salesman and Mike Brown was standing there with money in his hand. 

[*rfaulk34*]

(10-21-2020, 05:26 PM)ochocincos Wrote: A more accurate statement rather than 18.5 PPG during Taylor's tenure is a breakdown between 2019 and 2020.
In 2019, they averaged 17.5 PPG
In 2020, they are averaging 21.5 PPG.

That's a +4 increase.

This offense is weakened by the following things:
- Odd playcalling that doesn't seem to cater to the strengths of the personnel
- Atrocious OG performance
- A C who is not good at run blocking
- A RT who is not good at pass blocking
- A TE who is not good at pass blocking and inconsistent as a pass catcher from a production standpoint.

First step is to get this offense a good OL.
I think the TE situation will be ok next year if Uzomah can look like he was to start this season and/or Sample can improve his consistency.
I'd love to see Taylor stop thinking he can handle the offensive playcalling duties along with HC duties and just focus on being a HC. Give the playcalling to someone who has proven success doing it.

Points are def going up. Minus that crapfest in Baltimore they're averaging like 25 a game this year. 

[*bengalfan74*]

(10-21-2020, 09:13 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Why is is just Burrow that needs to “raise his game” in the RZ? How about the WR’s who take OPI penalties, or the TE who lets a ball go right through his hands for an INT, or the RB that drops the easiest TD pass of all time...

The numbers looks a lot better if those guys do their jobs.

Funny how he had to throw in Burrow, lol. One of the few things that's going right this season.

[Joelist]

One of the biggest problems with Zac Taylor is he knows the OL has issues and does nothing schematically to make their job easier. If anything the types of formations and plays are hanging the linemen out there to dry. There is also nothing being done to scheme the receivers open.

[*ochocincos*]

(10-21-2020, 09:37 PM)rfaulk34 Wrote: Points are def going up. Minus that crapfest in Baltimore they're averaging like 25 a game this year. 

I do think having XSF back will help the OL, and maybe getting Spain would also help.
XSF and Spain would be (big) upgrades over Jordan and Redmond.

[Essex Johnson]

(10-21-2020, 09:13 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Why is is just Burrow that needs to “raise his game” in the RZ? How about the WR’s who take OPI penalties, or the TE who lets a ball go right through his hands for an INT, or the RB that drops the easiest TD pass of all time...

The numbers looks a lot better if those guys do their jobs.

The two big components in scoring i believe in the red zone are HC and QB.. both are the key and neither has performed well, though I give Burrow credit he has not had Ints in the red zone.... they do better, teams does better in red zone.. We need TD's not FGs with the inconsistent def.. straight up and simple as that

[Nicomo Cosca]

(10-21-2020, 09:55 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Funny how he had to throw in Burrow, lol. One of the few things that's going right this season.

Yep. And I even left some out. There was also a TD Boyd dropped (vs Cleveland), and another that Boyd did catch (vs JAX?) but a Hopkins holding penalty negated, etc. Joe really should be in double digit TD’s by now. And yeah every QB deals with drops and penalties, but let’s not single out one of the only guys playing well as needing to “raise his game” and give everyone else a pass. AJ alone cost us one game.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(10-21-2020, 10:37 PM)Essex Johnson Wrote: The two big components in scoring i believe in the red zone are HC and QB.. both are the key and neither has performed well, though I give Burrow credit he has not had Ints in the red zone.... they do better, teams does better in red zone.. We need TD's not FGs with the inconsistent def.. straight up and simple as that

Not “simple as that.” It’s not on Burrow that Sample sucks, or that AJ takes an OPI, or that Mixon dropped a TD, or Hopkins taking a holding penalty, etc. You have to look at the entire picture if you’re going to be objective about what’s been going wrong. You can’t just say “well the QB needs to be better” like everyone else around him is playing well. They’re not.

[fredtoast]

(10-21-2020, 11:11 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Not “simple as that.” It’s not on Burrow that Sample sucks, or that AJ takes an OPI, or that Mixon dropped a TD, or Hopkins taking a holding penalty, etc. You have to look at the entire picture if you’re going to be objective about what’s been going wrong. You can’t just say “well the QB needs to be better” like everyone else around him is playing well. They’re not.

But you can't blame all of Burrows problems on the players and coaches around him either.  He takes too many sacks.  He fumbles too much.  And he has flat out missed some throws. The pass protection is not good, but he has multiple sacks where he had over 4 seconds to get rid of the ball.

He is just a rookie and I expect him to get better, but people need to acknowledge that he needs to improve also.

On third down in the red zone Burrow is only 2 of 6 with only 1 first down conversion, an interception, and a sack.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(10-21-2020, 09:55 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Funny how he had to throw in Burrow, lol. One of the few things that's going right this season.

Essex has been hating on Burrow for awhile now.

The one dude who is trying to carry this team.

[*bengalfan74*]

(10-22-2020, 01:58 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Essex has been hating on Burrow for awhile now.

The one dude who is trying to carry this team.

Right

Has Burrow been perfect ? not at all but he's a rookie 6 games into a season with zero preseason and doing damn good considering !

This team has a list of problems pages long but JB is not among them.

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(10-22-2020, 05:34 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Right

Has Burrow been perfect ? not at all but he's a rookie 6 games into a season with zero preseason and doing damn good considering !

This team has a list of problems pages long but JB is not among them.

All very true.

Burrow wouldn't approve at all of how he has played either which is what I love about him, always striving for perfection.

But all things considered, he has been excellent.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(10-22-2020, 11:42 AM)fredtoast Wrote: But you can't blame all of Burrows problems on the players and coaches around him either.  He takes too many sacks.  He fumbles too much.  And he has flat out missed some throws. The pass protection is not good, but he has multiple sacks where he had over 4 seconds to get rid of the ball.

He is just a rookie and I expect him to get better, but people need to acknowledge that he needs to improve also.

On third down in the red zone Burrow is only 2 of 6 with only 1 first down conversion, an interception, and a sack.

Ofc you can’t blame “all” of it on other players (Burrow hasn’t been perfect), but when you add it all up they’ve made a lot more mistakes in the RZ than he has himself. And yet for some reason it’s just “Taylor and Burrow” that need to improve.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(10-22-2020, 01:58 PM)Nate (formerly eliminate08) Wrote: Essex has been hating on Burrow for awhile now.

The one dude who is trying to carry this team.

He got on the kid for smoking a cigar indoors ffs...

[*Nate (formerly eliminate08)*]

(10-22-2020, 07:30 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: He got on the kid for smoking a cigar indoors ffs...

[Nicomo Cosca]

(10-22-2020, 05:34 PM)bengalfan74 Wrote: Right

Has Burrow been perfect ? not at all but he's a rookie 6 games into a season with zero preseason and doing damn good considering !

This team has a list of problems pages long but JB is not among them.

Not only has he not been a problem, he’s kept us in every game but one.

With absolutely 0 running game (other than vs JAX) we’d be getting blown out weekly if not for Burrow. We just saw on MNF that merely throwing the ball a ton doesn’t automatically result in points. Dallas scored 3 whole points until a garbage time TD at end of the game.