11-04-2015, 02:12 PM
(11-04-2015, 02:02 PM)PDub80 Wrote: - I don't view drug use as a victimless crime. I think it dumbs down and demotivates society, making society as a whole a victim. To widely accept it would be to eventually spread that dumbing down to be acceptable as a norm. People say that smoking cigarettes is a victimless crime, too. Accept for when generations of tax payers have to pay health care costs for it. There are more layers to drug use harm than just some guy sitting around getting baked and playing video games.
The line of thinking of drug use being a victimless crime reminds me of the moon scene from Enter the Dragon. Forward to 1 min in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar_s18E5l0U
If this makes society a "victim" so does people who don't get an education. I mean I have to pay for all these social services on account that some people just suck at life. We don't arrest people for that so I don't see any reason why we should arbitrarily arrest people who use pot. Moreover, not all users of pot are "losers". That's just propaganda.
Quote:- I don't care what someone does to their body. However, people always gloss over societal effects of drug use because it's not PC to point them out. People can hang themselves in the privacy of their own homes for all I care. Frankly, I don't. But when it drains on society (and lack of sobriety does), then I have a problem with it. There are already plenty of ways to be amused or distracted. To add in a substance to ingest to do so, is not a good thing, IMO.
If you didn't care, you wouldn't be OK with making them criminals for their choices. Especially choices that don't directly affect other individuals.
Quote:- Alcohol abuse has limited people's potential, yes. Absolutely. Knowing that... and then wanting to add in ANOTHER thing to do so is insane to me.
And alcohol is LEGAL. And a celebrated part of our culture. Which makes you wonder why pot is arbitrarily singled out.
Quote:- You would be wrong to argue the point on college. I could point to all of the grads every year who do not put their degrees to use and are looking for, or are out of work. I would also point out that there are more millionaires without college degrees in this country than with them. Graduating college can increase chances of success depending on career choice, sure. But attending school is not a detriment to someone's success. Besides that fact, going to school or not does NOT effect someone's mental state in terms of impairing them.
Studies overwhelmingly suggest their is a direct correlation with income and education. There are outliers of course, but on the whole educated people make over a million dollars in their lifetime over uneducated people.
Quote:- What's dumb is trying and win an argument with hypothetical situations. Your hypothetical (imaginary), made up situation with fast food is designed to prove a point that doesn't exist in the real world. Fantasy instead of facts won't work with me.
^ Besides, that, the government did not arbitrarily criminalize weed. It's a mood altering drug, therefore it is a controlled substance.
It isn't dumb. Pot hasn't always been illegal. Alcohol wasn't illegal. Then it became illegal. And then it became legal once again. Did the intoxicating effects of the drug change? Or was it simply people's attitudes towards it?
