03-29-2021, 09:39 PM
(03-29-2021, 10:36 AM)impactplaya Wrote: Never under estimate what a,good oline coach can do for a unit.
Turner is no scapegoat. He just flatout cannot coach up a oline to be dominant or at least
Be on the same page.
Look at his resume. What olines under his watch have been considered well coached?
Thats what when he,was shown the door teams were lining up for his oline expertise, right?
No he is he drinking his Sam Adams Lager today waiting for a call from anyone dumb
Enough to hire his Sgt.Carter antics
If 1st RDs picks were everything how come Paul Alexander was 1 and done in Dallas?
Talent is nothing without coaching in the NFL.
I bet you anything Brian Callahan got a bit of wisdom from his dad who is oline coach
In Cleveland and passed it to ZT about overhauling the oline.
Can anyone name me how many 1st RD picks the highest graded oline in the league.
Its 1.
The Browns have Jedrick Willis.thats the 1st RDer
Bitonio is a 2nd RD from 2 regimes ago. Tretter is FA from GB. Wyatt Teller the best OG in the NFL
was a afterthought in a trade.
And Jack Conklin a FA from the Titans.
But they only got to that level cause,of the arrival of Bill Callahan.
The Browns in 2020-added 2 new pieces plus the coach....boom. Best oline in the NFL
Then in the Steelers playoff win they had a no name start at RG for Bitonio.
Didnt miss a beat up front.
Thats coaching folks.
So much wrong here it’s unbelievable. I’ll try to make it brief but will fail.
PA didn’t get 1 and done. He was fired after 7 games. His pass pro sets are very different than FP. Sometimes the proverbial 2 steps back before 1 step forward. Jerry Jones panicked. Now that line is on its slow downfall from it’s peak. What did they accomplish? Stat padding and nothing else. Pity.
BC is one of my top 5 o-line coaches. But the Browns drafted one 1st round tackle and added another via FA last year. They were gangbusters in a wide zone scheme which suited their personnel more than their last coach James Campen but their pass blocking was MOR. I’m not a PFF guy. I prefer Football Outsiders. They were far from the best line in football overall by FO standards.
The Steelers and a backup guard. How oh how did the Browns beat them. Same reason we did with our backups - they were a shell of their former selves after all the injuries across both sides of the ball. Not rocket science.
And now Jim Turner and his resume. I frankly don’t know what you are talking about here. Here is is something of a complete resume:
Went to Boston College. Graduated. Named Captain his senior year (back when there were only two).
Instead of going straight into coaching he found himself in the Marines. Went to Desert Storm as a infantry officer.
Came back, got into coaching. Started at the HS level and then small college and then his big break - his alma matter BC. There he coached not one but two NFL first round picks.
That led to a streak of hires at Texas A&M under 3 different coaches in multiple years. 3 more NFL 1st rounders (the number of coaches who can say the coached 5 1st rounders is very minute). A Heisman and a finalist for a Joe Moore award. There was even a time he was the highest paid position coach in college football.
In between, there was a stint that ended infamously. The two years were hardly a ding on his coaching ability, however. Far from it. He was dealt with a raw, raw rookie Ryan Tannelhill. Reggie Bush for 1 year and rookie Lamar Miller for another. Brian Hartline, Davonne Bess, Mike Wallace, Charles Clay, Rishard Matthews were some of the receivers. Basically the worst collection of skill players in the NFL at the time.
Yet he coached veteran Ritchie Cognito and Mike Pouncey to their first Pro-Bowls.
And no, he has not at home drinking Sam Adams. He was a finalist for the Tennessee Vol’s job and ended up at Texas State. He will undoubtedly get a power 5 job next year. His resume is about as good as they come by his talentless and injury riddled 2 years with the Bengals notwithstanding.
I much prefer FP but that’s because I am a big fan of the wide zone scheme and not because I feel JT is some incompetent dope.
