Burrow and 17 game seasons for 18 years?

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(03-31-2021, 10:21 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Peyton Manning didn't become consistently great until his 6th NFL season. (138 TD/100 INT, 7.3 YPA, 85.9 QB Rating his first 5 seasons.) He was okay, but not great.

Lets hope Burrow doesn't take that long.

Eh, I don't know about that, LL.

Peyton's first 6 years looked like this:

3739 yards - 26 TDs - 28 INTs - 71.2 rating
4135 yards - 26 TDs - 15 INTs - 90.7 rating
4413 yards - 33 TDs - 15 INTs - 94.7 rating
4131 yards - 26 TDs - 23 INTs - 84.1 rating
4200 yards - 27 TDs - 19 INTs - 88.8 rating
4267 yards - 29 TDs - 10 INTs - 99.0 rating

His ranks...

Passer rating
23rd
4th
6th
8th
5th
2nd

Yards
3rd
3rd
1st
2nd
3rd
1st

TDs
5th
3rd
1st
5th
2nd
2nd

INTs
1st
9th
9th
2nd
3rd
26th

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He threw a lot of picks back then, but he was most def an elite top 3 QB from year 2 onward.

That's why he used to get roasted so hard for the one-n-dones.

(04-01-2021, 03:17 PM)fredtoast Wrote: The number of games will not make as big of a difference as the way the NFL manipulates the game through officiating.

Last year there were massive drops in holding calls against the offense and a massive increase in the number of pass interference calls against the defense.  Look at these numbers...  3842 yds... .652 Comp %...... 27 tds..... 93.6 passer rating.  Those used to be the numbers of the top 10 QBs in the league, but last year that was the team average across the entire league.

If this continues even an average QB will have career numbers better than some of the best QBs in the league over the last decade.

Burrow's rookie year made me realize how crazy things got last year. It felt like I was watching an elite QB in action...then I saw he ranked 24th in passer rating.

The NFL has swung wayyy too far in the direction of helping offense. That said, I do think Burrow will be an elite guy.

(04-01-2021, 10:13 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: By what possible metric?


Burrow: (10 games)

2688 yds 13 TD 5 INT 1.2 INT% 65.3 CMP% 89.8 Passer Rating

Dalton:

3398 yards 20 TD 13 INT 2.5 INT% 58.1 CMP% 80.4 Passer Rating


The big factor where Dalton had an advantage was coaching though. Marvin Lewis/Jay Gruden/Mike Zimmer>>>>>>>>>>>>Zac Taylor/Brian Callahan/Lou Anarumo.

Dalton ranked 20th in passer rating with 9 wins as a rookie.
Burrow ranked 24th in passer rating with 2 wins as a rookie.

No, I'm not saying Dalton was a better prospect or player. That definitely goes to Burrow.

But to say Dalton wasn't better "by any metric" is false, and I do believe the years of Dalton debates make people unappreciative of just how good Dalton was starting out, and that he had many stretches of play that no doubt helped us during that 5 year run of playoff cameos.