Joey B talks to Collinsworth

[TJ528]

(04-22-2021, 11:39 AM)PDub80 Wrote: ZT was given a horrible roster who had been on the decline and getting progressively worse over several years. That's a fact. I have no problem giving him time.

Here is my issue.... And, BTW, I have no issue with people wanting or expecting better results....

If Joe Burrow, a new player, says he likes him. And vets come in from other teams and they all say that they like him and the vision and the direction.... and then the fans all just wave their hands and dismiss the opinions of EVERYONE THERE WHO ARE ACTUALLY IN THE KNOW... then why even discuss this topic? Minds are made up.... minds that have the LEAST amount of information.

If the players vouching for the guy cannot shed light on what's actually happening in PBS from a coaching perspective, then what will? Winning? The players have lost the games. I made a list earlier pointing to a ton of things the players themselves failed to do when in position to win the game. The coach puts them in position to win, they have just dropped the ball or missed a kick, or missed a tackle. That is NOT on the coach when it comes down to the actual plays that happened.

Again, PDub I respect what your saying, and appreciate you have no issue with people wanting results. 

However, when it comes to players talking about their boss no ones ever going to throw their boss under the bus so to speak. 

In the early 90's when Dave Shula was struggling and David Klingler was our QB I never once heard a player criticize Dave Shula or the scheme that I can remember.  We all knew Dave Shuia was a crap coach but it wasnt until year 3 or 4 you started to hear players chirp because they were losing and losing bad.   They became the Bungals.  

When talking about the roster, you say Zac was given a horrible roster?  So this so called horrible roster had multiple Pro Bowlers on the roster.  Zac came in with the idea he was going to run the defense he wanted to run and brought in a DC who runs a zone defense when the personnel was brought in for man to man.  Great idea.  A good or great coach would bring in a staff that would fit and slowly mold the personnel on the team currently instead of wait 3 years to change out the entire team.  


Marvin came into the Bengals in 2003 and after 12 years of losing was able to turn around that team and have them in the playoffs in year 3.  I'd expect that our of ZT.  This is NOW ZT team.  Whether he likes it or not.  This is his team and he built this team.  This is what he's going to battle with this year.  If he doesn't show improvement IMO he should be gone.  You can only blame youth, injuries, age, old players, the DC sucks....excuses are like ***holes everyone got one.   

The only result that matters is wins.  I think Burrow is the only reason we could win last  year.  It's not because of Taylor.