Mike Greenberg on 1530 today.

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(04-22-2021, 01:04 PM)Murdock2420 Wrote: Outside WR's

Chase, Waddle, Bateman, Marshall Jr, Toney, Dyami Brown, Josh Palmer, Armon-Ra St. Brown, Tylan Wallace, Nico Collins, Simi Fehoko, Cornell Powell, Ihmir Smith-Marsette, Seth Williams, Sage Surratt.  The ones I bolded are not even close to being what Chase or the other top 3 offer.  I like Bateman and Marshall Jr, but neither of them are the phone-booth quick that Chase is to get open early.  They are more of a long strider.  Like Higgins.  Toney is a slot WR.  He may have had some snaps outside, but very few and he simply doesn't have the deep ball tracking.  The rest of these guys are far from "really great" with downfield tracking skills AND ability to get open quickly.  They simply aren't the best option to pick up the 104 targets that left with AJ Green.  


I can find WR talent in any round of this draft that comes in and does what this team needs. A 3rd option (we already have two good options in Higgins and Boyd we aren't sitting here with no WRs) that can line up outside and stretch the field, that was your reason for taking Chase over the greater need on the OL. Well see above... that entire list lines up outside and I stopped at round 3/4 guys. There is a longer list if you go deeper. Those guys can all stretch the field and make the safeties "respect" the deep ball. But you know what makes a defense really respect a team. When they aren't one dimensional. A good Oline allows better running lanes and a better running game. Of course better coaching helps as well.

The Ravens and steelers shut down Boyd and Higgins last year.  We had no answer.  You think they just needed more time to get open?  They have great back half of their defenses (especially baltimore) and the Bengals face them twice a year.  You think an upgrade at RG or maybe RT if they kick reiff inside (they have already upgraded the tackle spot wit Reiff) will solve that problem?  I don't.  Not at all.  

I love the fact that you think you know more about football, specifically the Cincinnati Bengals, then guys who get paid to cover it who all say that Sewell is the pick. See Lapham, Munoz, McGee, the list goes on of really smart football guys who say you have to pick Sewell. But message board poster and Duke Tobin... they know more with their combined 0 NFL snaps played.

This is just the whiny name-calling portion of the post.  Not needed.  I never claimed to know more than those guys, but if you are going to go with the so-called experts, I will just say that it is about split on who to choose and my preference of Chase isn't so much an indictment of Sewell, but faith in the rest of the draft class of OTs. 




Darrisaw, Cosmi, Eichenberg, Leatherwood, Jenkins, Mayfield, Radunz are all likely top 50 picks.


Darrisaw will go round one. Eichenberg is not athletic and is playing at his ceiling, every draft expert on the planet says the same thing. Cosmi will be good and will be gone round one.

Radunz.... I like this kid but I really like when people who literally say in their post "Sewell didn't play high level competition" use Radunz as the replacement for him. How does that even compute in your brain... Sewell didn't play good people we no draft him... but then... Radunz is awesome in round two! Bro... his competition level is below the MAC....

Leatherwood has knocks on his game, not being aggressive, being lazy. Personally, I haven't liked him throughout the entire process. 

Jenkins plays in a spread offense. Who knows how he'll actually transition to the pro game.

Remind me what offense Sewell played for?  And there is a big difference in Rd 2 reasoning on opposition talent level vs. #5 overall.  





Not moving Jonah??? Why... what has he shown you since he was drafted that makes you believe he can play LT every week?


There is nothing. The guy is less durable then Tyler Eifert who actually played a full season once. If Jonah plays a full season magically maybe you don't need a new LT but guess what, Reiff is on a one year deal so you certainly need a new RT and again Reiff has played G in the NFL.

Last year was Jonah's essential rookie season, and with COVID affecting his offseason abilities to work with his coaches and teammates.  Despite no talent next to him, and an offense that was having to air it out as they were mostly playing from behind (especially early), I thought he showed plenty of reasons to have faith in him as our LT of the future.  Watch Sewell's tape against Auburn.  You want to go with him at LT and possibly weaken the position and move Jonah to a new position.  You like to quote or claim what experts think.  Well, I can tell you the Bengals won't be starting Sewell at LT if they draft him.  




 But they drafted Price in the first round.  They drafted WIlliams in the first round.  They signed Reiff.  They signed XSF and Spain. 


Price is the perfect example of why you draft Sewell. We didn't take the top ranked guy on the OL in Frank Ragnow because everyone said "There is so much depth at the OL in this class and there isn't much difference between the top guys and the later guys." 


Does that statement sound familiar? How'd that play out for us taking Price the 2nd or 3rd option for a position of need versus staying put and taking the best option.

Answer... it screwed us. We have a total bust in Price while Ragnow the guy we passed on is still kicking ass in the league.

Williams can't stay healthy... he has been in the league 2 years and missed one full season and then went down multiple times in his second season. That is a bad sign for your OL guys. 

Reiff - 1 year

Spain - emergency back up after missing on Zeitler and Thuney and was in such high demand that he say around for weeks with no one talking to him.

XSF - Injured 3 straight years. Again, you can't count on him. As guys age, they don't tend to get more durable.

Again, you can keep bringing up the negative potential of the line as it sits and I would just agree with you (for the most part).  The Bengals WILL be addressing the line more in this draft if they take Chase at #5.  They will likely go OT in Rd 2 and G in Rd 3 or 4.  XSF and Spain will compete for the LG position and Reiff is an upgrade at RT.  He has also proven to be very reliable.  Add a guy like Leatherwood that can start at RG and develop as RT in Rd 2 and your line is looking really good.  Sign a G in Rd 3 or 4 like Ben Cleveland and you have quality depth and a mauler for RG next year.  Plus, they could always bring Reiff back for another year.  



I'm saying Sewell because he is the clear cut best in this class. He is going to be a great pro for 10 plus years, you can look at the tape and see it. All the hype about Chase... you know this personally? You've met him, you've talked to him? Cause the same level of hype is being said by coaches about Sewell. 

Downplaying Sewell cause you have a man crush on Chase is poor logic. 

The only worse logic in your entire post..

Saying this team will be in the playoffs if it drafts Chase. I read that and literally cried laughing. If you believe that, I shouldn't even have bothered trying to talk sense into you. I heard the same shit last season "We draft Burrow and playoffs here we come" Really... how'd that turn out?

I guess we will see.  


Did Mike Brown sell the team?
Zac Taylor get fired?
Lou get fired?
The Oline get three upgrades?

Nope... didn't think so. This team isn't going to the playoffs in 21 if the draft Chase or Sewell.

So, the smart move, draft Sewell, fix the line get these guys playing together and then get George Pickens in 2022 when the team is actually closer and you have a new coach.

Or... do your great idea, and we can celebrate another sub .500 season but hey "atleast we haz Chase back with Burrow!!!!!" 

Again, you deal in one dimension:  Sewell or Bust.  You aren't even scouting the other linemen or giving Chase a long look because of the position group he plays in and you disagree with it philosophically.  I disagree with using the #5 overall pick on a guy that will most likely play RT for the Bengals, when I think  they can find players like that in Rd 2, but the drop off from a guy like Chase to the guys you claim are really good outside WRs is much bigger in my eyes than the gap from Sewell at RT to someone like Eichenberg or Leatherwood at RT.