05-28-2021, 11:35 PM
(05-28-2021, 05:33 PM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: 1. K. That's your opinion. I think the Dalton line was fine. All you're doing is showing that QB rating is not the end all be all for ranking QBs, which is relevant to your whole "top 15" QB comment. Speaking of which...
2. You made 1 point that Dalton was a top 15 QB 4 of 5 years early in his career (no mention of 2017 to 2019. I'm sure that was an honest oversight). You used this as evidence that he wasn't average or worse for most of his career. I didn't respond to this because I felt explaining what he was as I did would better indicate his level of talent. But fine I'll directly address it.
You don't sit on your laurels with a top 15 QB. Especially with his penchant to totally bomb in prime time and playoff games. Top 15 is also pretty much in the realm of average, in my opinion so you didn't really disprove my point so I'm sorry that I didn't feel the need to respond to it. If perfectly average is 16, being ever so slightly better than that does not make me feel any different about him. He was a fine QB that should have been upgraded.
3. It is telling of how I feel about Dalton, yes.
4. You did not show that. We had an elite oline, an elite top 2 WRs, an elite TE and a very good slot WR. it's okay to admit that 2015 was a really good team. Dalton won't kick you out of his fan club for thinking so.
1. Well what metric do you prefer to settle a QB ranking debate? Because we can't just go off the ol' eye test when our opinions are so different.
2. I initially stated that Dalton finished top 15 in passer rating in 4 out of 5 years from 2012 to 2016. The reason I used this time frame is because - obviously - this was the prime of Dalton's career. 2017 to 2019 aren't included because we all know Dalton tailed off at the end of his career, as the team fell apart around him, and he got beaten up and aged.
You said Dalton was a "average to below average QB his entire career". So...I used that 5 year stretch to disprove that statement.
3. Exactly. How you feel about Dalton doesnt match reality. The stats and facts show a significant gap between Dalton and Fitzpatrick, and even most Dalton haters would admit he's better than Fitz.
4. We had elite starting WRs. Was Eifert really an elite TE? 615 yards in his best season, IIRC. Run game sucked, which you conveniently ignore. That's not elite, sorry dude. Not about fan clubs, it's about dealing in facts and reality.
It was good, but also vastly overrated.
The training, nutrition, medicine, fitness, playbooks and rules evolve. The athlete does not.
