07-15-2021, 07:14 PM
(07-15-2021, 06:41 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Uh, no. All we have to compare so far is rookie seasons.
Andy Dalton rookie season Bengals rushing offense ranked 27th in yards per carry. Roster was considered on of the worst in the league. His top 3 WRs were Green, Jerome Simpson, and Andre Caldwell (37 rec, 8.6 avg). He finished 20th in passer rating. Dalton had 4 games where he led a come from behind game-winning drive in the 4th quarter.
Joe Burrow rookies season Bengals rushing offense ranked 27th in yards per carry. Roster was considered one of the worst in the league. His top 3 WRs were Boyd, Higgins, and Green (47 rec, 11.1 avg). He finished 24th in passer rating. Burrow had zero games with a 4th quarter come from behind game-winning drive.
Dalton has a better receiving threat at TE, but Burrow had better receiving threats at RB.
The league average passer rating was 9.3 points higher in 2020 (93.6) than 2011 (84.3). Burrows passer rating (89.8) was 9.4 points higher than Dalton's in 2011 (80.4),
Dalton had 5 fumbles in 16 games. Burrow had 9 in just 10 games.
Remember when the argument was that "great QBs make the players around them better. They don't need talent around them to win."? Why did that apply to Dalton, but not Burrow?
I'm coming into this late, I honestly didn't read everything written prior to this. But I largely agree with you here. I just want to point out a couple of things that could be useful to the debate...
1.) Andy Dalton had Marvin Lewis as a head coach, and Jay Gruden as an OC.
2.) Joe Burrow had Zac Taylor as a head coach, and Zac Taylor/Callahan as an OC.
I don't think we can discount just how poor of a hand here Burrow was dealt in comparison to Dalton. Burrow is currently saddled with a historically bad Head Coach, and one of the worst OC's in the league. And we're not even getting to Zimmer vs. Anarumo, and the effect a decent defense can have on offensive production.
Who knows what type of numbers Joe Burrow would have put up with coaches that are actually competent and qualified for their jobs?
