08-30-2021, 02:08 PM
(08-29-2021, 04:10 PM)yang Wrote: Skipped most of the thread and appreciate all the good people promoting the vaccine and rational ethical behavior. We also know where the majority of miss-information comes from on the internet and Facebook. We know one political party has made it about their followers identity by promoting it as a “freedom”. The same party is passing state laws prohibiting schools, government organizations and schools from mandating masks to save lives. Passing a law removing a business owners right to demand masks to keep themselves and co-workers safe is beyond hypocrisy.
One thing the last decade taught us and which has spawned entire new branches of research is about people’s social and political identity. For some, telling them that women are people, minorities should have equal rights and taking a vaccine is like telling a Bengals fan to switch allegiance to the Steelers. Won’t happen. Being a sports fan is a part of who they are and developing a desire to change that view is also to impossible.
There are many who don’t get the vaccine for other reasons from laziness to fear of needles or just nutters. Some is cultural. But there is a reason one party is 85% vaxxed and one is 50%. Their party leaders are telling them it’s okay.
People should read Lilliana Mason’s book on the subject or Ezra Klein.
And my last word is that anti-vaxxer’s really don’t understand freedom, rights, and confuse them with beliefs. Get vaxxed people. You’re going to get us all killed and football will be the last of your worries.
Way to make it political lol. I know a solid split amongst liberals and conservatives who dont want the vaccine for various reasons, as well as a couple muslims who dont want it for their personal reasons. The more educated people I know seem to think people with natural immunity have the best protection, and also know that iffy vaccines have a bigger chance of producing more variants than natural immunity. Problem is, natural immunity wont allow companies and their government and media pals make billions of dollars. Your post is divisive and sad. I thought "my body my choice" was a liberal thing btw? I was a hard core liberal most of my life, and not trusting the FDA (who approves cigs but wont approve melatonin as a viable sleep aid amongst other things) and the pharm industries was in fact a liberal issue for many years. The older hippy folks are natural medicine lovers, which is constantly rejected by the FDA and pharma industry despite real evidence of viability. Oh how times have changes lol! Modern liberals are more like statist dictators these days it seems. Finger pointers.
As many predicted, and now even Bloomberg is saying it. Natural immunity is better than the vaccines. This would be the first "pandemic" in history where surviving the sickness didnt give you long lasting natural immunity, including Spanish flu and Sars. People who survived Sars in 2013 still have natural immunity to it. Covid has over a 99% survival rate and we are accusing people of ridiculous things for not wanting an experimental vaccine that is now being proven to not be nearly as effective than natural immunity.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-08-27/previous-covid-prevents-delta-infection-better-than-pfizer-shot
It will be interesting to see how it all plays out in the end. A popular fella local to my area died from Covid yesterday. He was in his early 80's, and was vaccinated. All this will do is make more people not want the vaccine, based on the comments I read about him on Facebook. For the record he was a long time local Democrat politician.
