10-05-2021, 10:54 AM
(10-04-2021, 09:53 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Pro Bowls are only one measurement when looking at an entire career. Again, how did Curtis stack up against his peers? Because if Truck’s research is accurate (and I’m assuming it is) he was not even close to a guy like Chad who led the conference in receiving yards 4 consecutive years (and the entire league one of them).
Thank you.
If anyone wants to peruse, I simply went to their pages on PFR:
Curtis: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CurtIs00.htm (scroll down to, "Appearances on Leaderboards, Awards and Honours.)"
Comparison with Lofton: https://stathead.com/football/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=LoftJa00&player_id1=CurtIs00&sum=0&request=1
Comparison with Largent: https://stathead.com/football/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=LargSt00&player_id1=CurtIs00&sum=0&request=1
Career TD leaders: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_td_career.htm
Career yards leaders: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/rec_yds_career.htm
Again, nobody here is saying Curtis was a scrub or a poor player, but amongst his peers, he was NOT at the top or among them, whereas Chad WAS at the top for 5+ years.
(10-04-2021, 10:06 PM)Fan_in_Kettering Wrote: The Ring of Honor should be populated by older Bengal players first so they can enjoy being honorees for as many years as possible. It made me sad Ken Riley could not be there. Forrest Gregg and Sam Wyche — both deserving of induction — passed away recently.
With that in mind I would recommend inducting old greats like Bob Trumpy, Isaac Curtis, James Brooks, Jim Breech, and maybe Lemar Parrish.
Trumpy, Brooks and Parrish should be in before a lot of guys. Curtis and Breech, wait a little longer.
Trumpy is the best TE in team history and did a ton for those first teams, so he definitely deserves it a ton, while Parrish was Deion before Deion (as Fred has said) and Brooks was a stalwart HB.
BTW, going back to the TE thing, just some more comparison:
Trumpy vs. McGee: https://stathead.com/football/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=TrumBo00&player_id1=McGeTo00&sum=0&request=1
Trumpy vs. Ross: https://stathead.com/football/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=TrumBo00&player_id1=RossDa00&sum=0&request=1
Trumpy vs. Holman: https://stathead.com/football/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=HolmRo00&player_id1=TrumBo00&sum=0&request=1
Ross vs. Holman: https://stathead.com/football/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=RossDa00&player_id1=HolmRo00&sum=0&request=1
McGee vs. Holman (from above): https://stathead.com/football/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=HolmRo00&player_id1=McGeTo00&sum=0&request=1
McGee vs. Ross: https://stathead.com/football/pcm_finder.cgi?player_id2=RossDa00&player_id1=McGeTo00&sum=0&request=1
So as we can see, going from the numbers, it is Trumpy above all and the rest are kinda lumped together, with Ross being the leader of the other 3.
Given era, team they played on and numbers (I don't know how the two older guys were at blocking), I would actually put:
Trumpy>Ross>McGee>Holman