10-29-2021, 06:31 PM
(10-28-2021, 12:09 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: This is where people are ridiculous.
A rookie QB has *1* good game against us, like 20 years ago and all of a sudden, "wE cAn'T sToP rOoKiE qBs!"
We have had bad games agianst rookies, but many more good ones (and some average):
Name|Team|Completions|Attempts|Yards|TDs|INTs|SK|Long|Rating|Rush Attempts|Rush Yards|TDs|Long|
David Carr HOU 18 32 199 0 2 2 13 26 48.8 2 9 0 5 | 38-3 loss in 2002
Kyle Boller BAL 15 27 302 2 1 3 21 73 104.2 4 8 0 5 | 34-26 loss in 2003
Ben Roethlisberger PIT 17 25 174 1 0 1 6 30 101.1 4 2 0 3 | 28-17 win in 2004
Ben Roethlisberger PIT 15 21 138 1 0 7 54 26 104.9 9 16 0 4 | 19-14 win in 2004
Eli Manning NYG 19 37 201 0 1 2 17 27 56.3 0 0 0 | 23-22 loss in 2004
Kyle Orton CHI 17 39 149 0 5 0 0 23 14.7 1 0 0 0 | 24-7 loss in 2005
Charlie Frye CLE 16 24 138 1 1 2 14 17 78.1 4 14 1 7 | 23-20 loss in 2005
Bruce Gradkowski TAM 25 44 184 2 1 2 10 18 72.5 4 19 0 7 | 14-13 win in 2006
Jay Cutler DEN 12 23 179 2 1 3 19 39 88.9 2 -1 0 | 24-23 win in 2006
Brock Berlin STL 17 28 153 0 1 0 0 23 60.6 3 -16 0 0 | 19-10 loss in 2007
Joe Flacco BAL 15 29 129 0 0 0 0 15 63.7 4 37 1 38 | 17-10 win in 2008
Joe Flacco BAL 19 29 280 2 0 2 8 70 119.9 3 15 0 11 | 34-3 win in 2008
Matthew Stafford DET 11 26 143 1 2 3 27 54 41.0 3 -2 0 4 | 23-13 loss in 2009
Mark Sanchez NYJ 8 16 63 0 0 0 0 14 60.2 2 2 0 1 | 37-0 win in 2009
Jimmy Clausen CAR 16 33 188 0 1 1 8 44 53.6 6 10 0 5 | 20-7 loss in 2010
Colt McCoy CLE 19 25 243 2 0 4 24 46 132.6 0 0 0 | 19-17 loss in 2010
Blaine Gabbert JAX 15 28 221 1 0 3 21 74 91.5 5 11 0 6 | 30-20 loss in 2011
T.J. Yates HOU 26 44 300 2 1 5 32 27 85.4 5 36 0 17 | 20-19 win in 2011
John Skelton ARI 23 44 297 2 3 5 40 39 60.5 4 6 0 4 | 23-16 loss in 2011
Brandon Weeden CLE 26 37 322 2 0 2 13 27 114.9 2 6 0 4 | 34-27 loss in 2012
Robert Griffin III WAS 21 34 221 1 0 5 42 29 90.4 13 74 1 19 | 38-31 loss in 2012
Ryan Tannehill MIA 17 26 223 0 0 2 12 30 92.3 4 -4 0 -1 17-13 | win in 2012
Brandon Weeden CLE 17 29 231 2 1 2 13 71 92.7 3 3 0 2 34-24 | win in 2012
Nick Foles PHI 16 33 180 1 1 1 3 46 62.7 2 5 0 5 | 34-13 loss in 2012
Geno Smith NYJ 20 30 159 0 2 3 28 26 51.9 2 8 0 5 | 49-9 loss in 2013
Blake Bortles JAX 22 33 247 2 1 2 14 40 96.4 4 10 0 5 33-23 | loss in 2014
Johnny Manziel CLE 10 18 80 0 2 3 26 32 27.3 5 13 0 10 30-0 | loss in 2014
Dak Prescott DAL 18 24 227 1 0 1 5 31 117.9 7 4 1 5 28-14 | win in 2016
Kevin Hogan CLE 12 24 100 0 2 2 10 17 26.4 7 104 1 28 | 31-17 loss in 2016
Carson Wentz PHI 36 60 308 1 3 1 2 41 58.2 3 16 0 10 | 32-14 loss in 2016
Deshaun Watson HOU 15 24 125 0 0 3 27 25 75.9 5 67 1 | 13-9 win in 2017
DeShone Kizer CLE 16 34 118 0 1 1 7 26 43.5 5 10 0 | 31-7 loss in 2017
DeShone Kizer CLE 18 31 268 0 0 3 23 44 86.5 9 39 1 | 30-16 loss in 2017
Mitchell Trubisky CHI 25 32 271 1 0 2 21 36 112.4 2 5 1 | 33-7 win in 2017
Lamar Jackson BAL 13 19 150 0 1 3 14 23 70.1 26 119 0 | 24-21 win in 2018
Baker Mayfield CLE 19 26 258 4 0 0 0 24 143.9 4 -4 0 | 35-20 win in 2018
Baker Mayfield CLE 27 37 284 3 0 0 0 66 121.9 6 16 0 | 26-18 win in 2018
Kyler Murray ARI 20 32 253 0 0 1 5 28 87.1 10 93 1 24 | 26-23 win in 2019
Gardner Minshew II JAX 15 32 255 1 0 2 11 47 84.8 9 48 0 20 | 27-17 win in 2019
Mason Rudolph PIT 24 28 229 2 0 0 0 43 124.6 3 -3 0 -1 | 27-3 win in 2019
Mason Rudolph PIT 8 16 85 0 1 1 13 35 39.8 4 4 0 2 | 16-10 win in 2019
Tua Tagovailoa MIA 26 39 296 1 0 0 0 35 97.8 3 3 0 4 | 19-7 win in 2020
Trevor Lawrence JAX 17 24 204 0 0 1 2 52 96.5 8 36 1 11 | 24-21 loss in 2021
So overall, in the past 20 years against rookie starters:
- 22-21 record and before 2018, we were 21-13, so really, the only bad stretch has been in the past 3 years. But we've also faced much-better rookies, in the past 3 years (save for Rudolph and Tua)
- 79.2 average QB rating given up, with a high of 143.9 (Hayseed), a low of 14.7 (Orton) and a median of 86.5. So basically, the average rookie QB has performed like Carsone (87.9 career QB Rating) or Andy (87.5 career QB Rating).
- Given that this is a team sport, Flacco (1), Lamar (1), Rudolph (1), Sanchez and Gradkowski, all won due to their team and not because of their own performance (ESPECIALLY in the latter 2 cases; played backups against the Jets and the refs screwed up against the Bucs).
So yes, not only should we let the old narrative die, but we should also discredit it completely, as neither Carsone nor Andy will be making any HoF, anytime soon.
EDIT**and if we want to go the, "scrub," route, then that narrative is blatantly-false, as we have a significantly-better record against scrubs than what is, "common knowledge," around these parts (I went through essentially every game since 2002, in compiling this data and we beat RGIII with 1 leg, Austin Davis, Kellen Clemens, Thad Lewis, EJ Manuel, Manziel {again}, Colt McCoy {again}, Brady Quinn, etc. We never lost to ANY of those guys, save for maybe Tom Savage in 2016).
I really hope you didn’t take too much time with this.
In this entire forest of words you admit we’re roughly .500 against scrubs. So….
This doesn’t even get into the quality over quantity aspect. We have Tj Yates his only playoff dub, made Brock Osweiler and Trevor Simeon look serviceable.
Come on man.
