Threads from the Enemy week 13: Chargers

[Shake n Blake]

(11-30-2021, 11:02 AM)motoarch Wrote: Im interested to hear your take.

Obviously I like our guy but I think the general consensus is Herbert still is and has been better even before Burrows injury last year. 

I don't think this was ever really a debate.

There is plenty of time for this to change and long term and I think it will. 

I really haven't seen this consensus favoring Herbert. Not being disrespectful, I just really haven't. It seemed neck and neck prior to injury, then all the Burrow talk went away...but after the hot start for Burrow/Chase this year, I've seen a lot more national love for Burrow than for Herbert. Except from Keyshawn Johnson, but that guy is useless, unintelligent and unfunny.

(11-30-2021, 11:40 AM)Crazyjdawg Wrote: I literally don't know which side you fall on, so I think there's definitely still a debate haha.

Burrow has a slightly higher completion percentage (69.3% vs 66%), yards per attempt average (8.4 vs 7.4), and QB Rating (101.6 vs 96.5), but Herbert has fewer interceptions on more attempts (10 in 438 vs 12 in 339) and has more rushing yards (243 @ 5.7 ypc vs 63 @ 2.5 ypc). He's also taken 9 fewer sacks in the aforementioned 99 more passing attempts than Burrow.

He has a stronger arm, obviously, which gives him a better upside, but I think it's clear that Burrow is more advanced at reading the defense and adjusting the play call accordingly. Kind of like the classic "Cerebral QB" vs "physically gifted QB" discussion.

I don't think we could be farther from determining which player is better, to be honest. They both seem like potential super star QBs who have their own strengths and weaknesses that, in many ways, are the opposite of the other. I don't think it actually matters who is better because they are both great, but I'm not sure how you could say there's no longer a debate on who is the better QB.

The passing numbers favor Burrow almost across the board. Burrow is pushing the ball more, hence the higher YPA and INT%. Longer throws = more risk. But give me the guy who is throwing longer at a higher completion rate.

Seriously...the fact that Burrow is completing 3% more of his throws while throwing longer on average is pretty telling. Herbert should have the better % because hes throwing short (within 5 yards of LOS) roughly twice as much last I checked.

Rush yards are meaningless to me. Herbert isn't Lamar or Cam...and a big chunk of that came on one run.

Arm strength is sooo incredibly overrated. The top QBs of all time are arguably Brady, Montana, Peyton and Brees. None of which had a great arm. All pretty standard issue in that category. Rodgers and Mahomes have cannons. So does Trevor Lawrence.

What good is the arm if Burrow is posting better numbers? Which he definitely is. Even with the INTs. Last I checked, the deep ball numbers also favored Burrow, and Burrow is crushing Herbert on mid-range throws.