12-11-2021, 11:45 PM
(12-11-2021, 10:23 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Depends on what your criteria is. It's all subjective, really. I put heavy weight on era as well as how they looked compared to their peers. That's why it's still Montana for me.
1. His efficiency was just way ahead of his peers. Unlike Brady, who has always been outshadowed by the likes of Peyton, Rodgers, Brees, etc in regular season. What separates Brady from Michael Jordan status is that MJ dominated regular season as well. He was unquestionably the top player for pretty much his entire career.
2. This includes playoffs, where Joe's performance actually got better, unlike Brady, who played a bit worse in post-season.
3. Due to the physicality of Joe's era, he had some pretty legendary injuries and was lucky to play to 38. Due to the lack of physicality (and partly due to Brady's nutrition), he's going to play at an elite level to 45 years old. Which helped him get what? 3 more rings?
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Because there is no Jordan type of guy, I still think you can make valid arguments for Brady, Montana, Graham and even guys like Unitas and Peyton Manning.
Yeah, you're right about it being subjective. For me, Graham takes a huge hit for his era for obvious reasons. Your Brady argument is interesting and after looking into it, it produces different results than I expected. Montana's efficiency actually WASN'T way ahead of his peers. In fact, he wasn't the best in anything but he was of course very good in everything. This is all relative to their peers over the course of their career with 1000 pass attempt minimums to filter out low volume guys.
YPA - 4th
TD% - 11th
INT% - 8th
Rating - 2nd
Comparing to Brady...
YPA - 16th
TD% - 8th
INT% - 3rd
Rating - 8th
So, Montana had a significantly higher YPA ranking whereas Brady posted better TD% and INT% numbers than Montana with Montana finishing with a better rating, all relative to their peers. Montana DID play slightly better in the playoffs and Brady has played worse in the playoffs, though, this is all accurate. Montana suffered through injuries and played roughly 73% of his games whereas Brady has been an insane iron man.
Really, if things continue the way they are going, Mahomes will be considered the GOAT in the near future. Look at these nutty relative rankings.
YPA - 2nd
TD% - 1st
INT% - 3rd
Rating - 1st
