12-13-2021, 05:37 PM
(12-13-2021, 02:02 PM)TheLeonardLeap Wrote: Ben's arm has been retired for 3 years with 6.4 YPA since the start of 2019.
Can't wait until the HoF continues to display it's lowered requirements for Steelers players and we get to see the joke of Ben getting in with 0 All-Pros, 0 OPoY, 0 MVPs, never leading in Comp%, TDs, or QB Rating a single year, and having not been a top-5 QB of even his own generation.
(12-13-2021, 02:41 PM)BFritz21 Wrote: GREAT POINTS!
I'm going to Tweet and send messages after he retires to every NFL show that claims he should be and you damn well know I won't hear any responses.
I'll begin by saying I don't think he's necessarily a first ballot lock. He's certainly on the bubble behind several of his contemporaries (Brees, Manning, Brady, and Rodgers especially).
But ...
You're cherry picking stats here. Hall of Famers are chosen based on careers, not on single season highlights, though I will point out that you conveniently forgot that he led the NFL in passing yards twice. Still, if HoF consideration was based on solely on the existence of standout seasons, there'd be a serious conversation going on about Cam Newton. And which of you would argue that he's a serious candidate based on his TOTAL body of work?
However, if you look at Ben's overall career, you'll find that:
He has a better career completion percentage than several hall of famers, including, but not limited to: Brett Favre, Dan Marino, John Elway, Troy Aikman, Jim Kelly, Warren Moon, and Steve Young. In fact, only two current Hall of Famers had a higher career completion %.
He has a better career passer rating than several hall of famers, including, but not limited to: Kurt warner, Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, John Elway, and Brett Favre. Again, there are only two current Hall of Famers who had a better career rating.
He has more career passing TDs than Hall of Famers John Elway and Warren Moon, and is very close to catching Dan Marino. There are other Hall of famers on the list he has more than as well, but they had shorter careers. These three had careers of comparable length. Only two current HoFers had more career TDs.
He has a higher yards/game average than several Hall of Famers, including but not limited to: Dan Marino, Brett Favre, Warren Moon, Jim Kelly, John Elway, Troy Aikman and Steve Young. There are - you guessed it - only two current HoFers who are higher in this category as well.
There are also only two career HoFers with more total passing yards.
And yes, I know that some of these guys were from different eras, and that the game has become more passer friendly over the years. I didn't include players whose careers began any earlier than the early to mid-80s for that exact reason. But even so, Ben is among the top twenty all time career leaders in each of these categories.
I'm not a big fan of the guy personally, but the assertion that he would get in solely based on some sort of "Steeler discount" is absurd. His career definitely deserves to be in the conversation on its own.
So Brad, when you tweet and message those shows, and are wondering why you get no responses, I'd suggest that you reflect on these things.
