Big Ben's Retiring........

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(12-16-2021, 07:29 AM)JS-Steelerfan Wrote: You’re cherry picking again.  I already acknowledged the era differences, but you chose to emphasize the oldest (Marino) and the statistically worst (Kelly) of the HoFers I referenced.  I notice you stayed away from Kurt Warner, whose career intersected Ben’s for five years, and whose stats are very similar.  

You also ignored that Ben is in the top fifteen all time in just about every category mentioned here.  

Look, I’ll make it simple this time: Ben isn’t even close to being an all time great like Brady or Manning, but neither are most HoF QBs.  He’d definitely be near the bottom of the group if he got in.  But if guys like Aikman, Kelly, and Warner belong, so does Ben.  

You acknowledged it, but then made paragraph after paragraph ignoring it.

As for Kurt Warner, I said... 

Quote:...doubly so if he goes into the media as there's an even further lowered barrier for entry for media members.

...because Kurt only got in due to being on NFL Network. He was the only former player on their crew at the time who wasn't a Hall of Famer. He probably wouldn't have gotten in without that and the whole bagging groceries story. Even then he still had a better resume than Ben. You're looking at counting stats rather than the fact that Kurt Warner had 2 MVPs and 2 All-Pros to Ben's 0 and 0. There was at least a period in time when Kurt was the best QB in the league. Ben never had that.


In fact, now that I am looking at it, Ben has a worse resume than Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan is definitely not a HoFer, but at least he's been an All-Pro before and he has an MVP to his name.


Matt Ryan avg season: 65.5% completion, 4,205 passing yards (7.5 YPA), 26 TD/12 INT, 94.2 QB Rating
Big Ben avg season: 64.5% completion, 3,523 passing yards (7.6 YPA), 23 TD/12 INT, 93.9 QB Rating




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I don't think Aikman belongs. He got to ride the whole America's Team hype and success. Aikman is just Terry Bradshaw, but with better hair.