Big Ben's Retiring........

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(12-23-2021, 02:01 PM)JS-Steelerfan Wrote: I’m not exactly sure what this proves.  I think you’ll find that most SB winning QBs not named Brady had a strong team around them in the years they won, and did less well when their team was weaker. Heck, even Brady had strong support for most of his SB wins.  When it comes to carrying a team to a championship, most historical examples are more situational than seasonal, like Ben’s 2005 performance to get them to the SB and his game-ending drive in 2008 drive to win it. Instances where a QB carried a crappy team through an entire championship season, on the other hand, are exceedingly rare outliers.  

As for the career playoff stats, just about every player sees a downturn in those numbers compared to their regular season stats: even Brady’s playoff rating is 7 points lower than his career rating (and only four points higher than Ben’s, which is roughly the same as their overall difference).  It makes sense, since you don’t get to pad those numbers with bad teams the way you do in the season.  I mean, Brady’s career playoff completion percentage is actually a few tenths of a percentage point LOWER than Ben’s. 

Overall, I think most people in this thread are trying to hold Ben to a standard that only the elite of the elite ever met, and I’ve never argued that he belongs in that tier.  In the bottom half of current HoF members, though?  As you more or less have already said in your opening paragraph here ... Absolutely.  

I just like to point out his failures. 

And his ugly face!!!