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(02-07-2022, 04:32 PM)J24 Wrote: He will be only 25,  two time Captain,  only missed two games in his career,  had an All pro caliber season in 2020, and he is playing like a superstar this post season. If you don't see how good and important this dude is to this team. Then I don't know what to tell you.

You say elite(for the post season) is a stretch but he has been top 3 in both passer rating and incompletion percentage. Which happens to be the two most important stats to judge a defensive back on.

As for the two big plays. Those plays are going to happen against elite players. AJ Brown made a play and any safety could have miss that Tackle against Forman.

Most players going into their 2nd contract are 25-26.  We won 4 games his first year as a captain.  This year he admitted he isolated himself from the rest of the team and his teammates were constantly texting him to make sure he was ok.  Not only did his poor play hurt us on the field, he allowed his contract status to create a distraction off of it.  He did have an All Pro season in '20 and deserves full credit for that.  However, he was also mediocre in '19 with a 100.1 passer rating allowed and 62.5% completion % allowed.  If you could be reasonably assured of getting '20 Bates, there wouldn't be a big issue signing him to a big contract, but you can't.  His level of play swings wildly from year to year.  

Dude, Bates isn't even 3rd on the Bengals in passer rating allowed this postseason.  Wilson is 62.2, Pratt is 68.2, Hilton is 43.8, Bell is 66.2, and Bates is 78.0.  
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