Carson Palmer

[Shake n Blake]

(02-11-2022, 10:12 AM)Big_Ern Wrote: He is definitely saying joe will start considering leaving depending on what the Bengals do this off-season. I posted the video for a reason 

Sometimes you can say things without actually saying them. I'm sure someone will have a sarcastic reply to that, but some people can communicate a point without being blunt. The whole interview was like watching a dark cloud...and here we are arguing CP on what should be the best week of our fandom.

(02-11-2022, 10:37 AM)casear2727 Wrote: I do disagree in a couple areas.

- EVERYONE states that the Rams are littered with stars... because they are.   He has stated over and over how special Joe and Chase are, other than those 2 we dont have any true NFL stars.  We know how special our guys are but even DJ Reader gets no media love.  I think your fandom is clouding this point.  Besides the David and Goliath reference isnt always negative, many many people see us this position.  Keep in mind how much more knowledgeable you are than outsiders.

- There is no way in the world we can blame someone for voicing concerns due to their past experiences. He has much more validated knowledge of how things were, which obviously shapes his opinion. But you are wrong in stating that he "Projected" a worst case scenario. He simply asked the question "Will the Bengals be satisfied with going to this Super Bowl or will they continue to strive for more success" as to spending freely and smartly (which he said), utilizing an example of being satisfied.

I do think/hope they will continue to build the team like they have, but as a fan since the late 70's I would not be shocked if they retreated in some way.  I dont think Carson was out of line whatsoever and in fact he is applying a little pressure to the FO in asking these questions  and NOT projecting what they will do.  I truly hope Joe does put pressure on ownership to continue to want to win as much as he does, in fact there was an article regarding just this topic not long ago.  Carson said he wished he would have handle it better when he asked for that commitment but was lied to, which seems about right since things have changed only recently with Katie.

I dont think he ignored our FA's but I think you believe you over value their stardom more than everyone else outside of us.  I think our fanbase is unaware of the players agreement that demanded a new salary floor on ownership forcing cheap owners to spend on players.  I think that had a lot to do with our FA which may have been a positive for Katie and her team to push MB, we also did a damn good job of getting the right players.

I dont see a vendetta whatsoever, he continuously states in this interview, and others, how much the FANS deserve the success.  These are very fair questions and I see them as a positive for our fanbase and our team.

As to timing, he is in a promotions tour for his product, it is in every interview.  And he does not bring up things out of the blue, he is being asked questions and answering honestly.  I appreciate the honesty, I hope Katie sees this and shows Carson, as well as the team and all of us that their commitment will continue.

I think if you rewatch it in a different frame of mind you may see it in a different way.  Maybe not..

- So are we talking about actual skill or just "stardom"? Who gives a flying rip about whether or not Trey Hendrickson or DJ Reader are as famous as Odell Beckham? They may not be as famous as Beckham, but they're better players at this stage.

Carson's point there was clearly that the Bengals haven't tried as hard as the Rams to attain great players. So it's folly for Carson to judge that based on "stars". More fame doesn't = more skill.

The talent level on these 2 teams is pretty close to equal. Will you agree with that? Probably not, I'm guessing. You can't even admit that calling someone "David" is a little
disrespectful. Like Burrow said, we have a great team with great players. They're not David, and the Rams aren't Goliath, either.

- If you read between the fairly obvious lines, it's clear what Carson thinks will happen. Be honest. The FO being terrible was the theme of the entire interview. They left on an open question, but the tone of the entire interview being so negative made it hard to imagine a positive answer to a question that - in itself - was so negative.

- How did he not ignore our free agents?? He didn't mention a single one of them. Didn't give props or even acknowledge that we signed any great players. He just compared us to the Rams and made it sound like they did it the right way, and we half-assed it. That's BS, and frankly, you not being able to admit that tells me all I need to know.

Maybe the cap floor is the reason for the splurges? Maybe not. We don't know. I just know they signed great players that helped lead this team to the Super Bowl. Especially on defense, which was integral on us getting here. So...give credit for that, or you expose yourself as lacking objectivity.

- The vendetta isn't with the fans. It's with ownership. He highlights all the negatives relentlessly, and doesn't acknowledge any progress or success they've had. He's not Boomer or Chad, etc. Those guys have ripped the organization, but also give credit when it's due. Carson is all negative towards the FO, and gives 0 credit for any progress. Even before the Super Bowl.

- On the timing, he knows what questions are coming. They get briefed before these interviews. Is it asking too much to want a little fairness if he's going to dredge up negativity? The FO has done some good things, and if you can't admit that, I guess I now see why you so staunchly side with Team Carson.

I don't think you'll rewatch that video with a different frame of mind, either.