03-09-2022, 05:38 PM
(03-09-2022, 03:14 PM)casear2727 Wrote: Getting rid of Bates this season just seems like an unnecessary risk. We have no one behind him or Bell. We also are missing a starting CB so with that up in the air letting him go would be dangerous - we have no idea what value a trade could bring.
Replacing a starter with a 1st round pick is less of a risk than replacing a starter with a late round pick or a bottom of the roster Trent Taylor.
I'm beyond annoyed with the overpay a FS because of bad CBs when you have admitted repeatedly CBs are more important than FS. If you need a starting CB, prioritize that position instead of overpaying a FS.
If you don't have any idea what Bates' value is then you don't know Boyd's trade value, either.
Quote:Losing Bates is a million times riskier than losing Boyd - as mentioned above we have no one else. We can survive with Trent Taylor if our oline is excellent and upgrades at slot are available in the draft. WR3/4 and RB have more available players than other position in football.
Wrong. Replacing a starter with a first round pick is less risky than replacing a starter with a late round pick or 5'8", 178lbs, 4.63 forty Trent Taylor and his two receptions last season. And we have already agreed a rookie FS might develop behind a vet his first year. If you don't think a first round rookie FS is ready to start I don't understand why you think a later round rookie WR is ready to start and play 74% of the offensive snaps.
Quote:I do agree that Bates is not elite. Can he be? Possibly. Do I care this season? Not really, Im more concerned over creating a hole at that spot much more than the 4th option on offense.
You knew Burrow was elite his first season. Why? Because he is elite. After four seasons you know Bates isn't, because he isn't. That hole is covered by a cheap vet and a high draft pick.
Quote:Does letting Bates go create more cap space? Cut yes, trade for a draft pick - yes/for a player - obviously not as much.
You could have ended with, "Yes." Why? Because you have already stated multiple times every little bit of cap space helps the team improves other positions.
Quote:Lets do this which of these puts less pressure on the team:
A very good OT or OG or C instead of Boyd - all day, every day, easy spot to replace with a much improved oline
A very good OT or OG or C instead of Bates - normally yes, but we have no one to replace him and it is much more difficult
This is pure fantasy. Taylor has never duplicated Boyd's production and only 1 of 33 WRs from last year's draft, including all the ones that run faster, did.
I'm confident a first round rookie FS can come in and not be elite just like Bates.
Quote:To me there is no comparison. Bates is way more vital to the defense this season. Replacing him would be much more up in the air as he has so much more responsibilities. WR3 could be anyone and. I would take a great olineman over that position every single time.
And I would take a great Olineman, an additional $5.6M to apply to another player, a starter at WR3, and the ability to draft a FS and 3T in the first two rounds of the draft. However many times you keep repeating Boyd is easily replaced the stats prove you wrong. And the Bengals are one injury away from Taylor and Morgan as two starters at WR. So you're one injury away from a position of strength turning into a position of weakness. Same situation at FS.
Quote:Having a really good free safety on a team with average CBs is just common sense. A top tier CB like JC not only is a huge cap hit but also the guaranteed money is insane, way more than a free safety. People keep forgetting this aspect.
This is a silly argument. If your CBs suck, don't over pay a FS. Pay a CB instead, sign an average FS. No one is forgetting a huge cap hit. No one. Matter of fact, I've repeatedly reminded you a Top 5 IOL is generally cheaper than a Top 5 FS. So if you want to try to work the huge cap hit angle, then don't overpay an inconsistent FS when NOT overpaying him is the fiscally conservative and responsible move.
Quote:If we had some depth behind Bates, I could get more on board, maybe we draft a stud safety and do this next year? Im cool with that, too risky this season (unless we knew we could get a Maye or some other vet at a very low price) and Boyd is at max trade value now with little risk assuming his salary went to upgrade the oline.
If you move on from Bates, FS is addressed with a high draft pick and a cheap FA vet so depth is addressed. If you get rid of Boyd, you're depth is Taylor, Morgan, Irwin, and Washington if the last three are tendered.
If you spend $12M on a FS that won't be here next year, that's $12M you can't use to sign Olineman to 3 year contracts. Remember when you stated every bit of cap space helps? Then start walking the walk instead of just talking it. Why pay Mercedes prices on a new 1 year lease for a Toyota Camry when you already have a Honda Accord for 2 years for less money which allows you to buy other stuff?
