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(03-09-2022, 06:02 PM)casear2727 Wrote: You are just a brick wall mentally.

Bates and Boyds value to the team currently are not even close.  We have no other players on the roster to take Bates spot and it is crucial
if we are not upgrading the other CB big time, and I doubt JC is walking through that door.

Boyds production was with a terrible oline. IMO, a huge upgrade to the oline opens up the run game and more pass concepts to the 2 wideouts - with check downs to the TE and slot - non-priority positons.

I dont care what Boyds value is I just know it is at its max right now and will never be greater.  I want the draft pick and his $10M to go to the oline.  

Bates value is crucial because we would be replacing a higher value position with no depth or other CB as of yet.

Taking a chance on any rookie at WR3 is much less of a risk than a rookie at FS1 with our current roster.

As to your idea of a player has to be elite his first year in the league, well that is nonsensical as well.  Players do get better in the league.


This is all common sense.  You can have a different way of doing things but this is reality with our current team today.

Zac Taylor’s offense has used 3 WR sets more than any other team in the NFL two out of three years and finished 2nd in the third year. Or more than any other team in the NFL over the past three seasons. This means WR3 is more valuable to Zac Taylor’s offense than any other offense in the NFL.

Chase, Higgins, and Boyd received 35%, 30%, and 26% of the WR targets.

Boyd had more targets than either Uzomah or Mixon. Those two combined only got 15% more targets than Boyd.

Boyd was the most targeted WR3 in the league. He caught 98.8% of catchable passes with less drops than Chase, Higgins, Uzomah, and Mixon.

All this makes Boyd the most valuable WR3 in the entire NFL. He isn’t a “non-priority” position. If you think otherwise you haven’t paid attention or don’t understand the numbers you haven’t even bothered to research because unsupported subjective statements are so much easier. Bates isn’t more valuable. You just don’t understand Boyd’s value because you haven’t checked anything to have an informed opinion.

Improving the Oline will decrease sacks, but won’t reduce Boyd’s production because that’s how he is used by design. That’s how Taylor runs his offense. Taylor’s offense features the WR3 more than the TE and RB on this team and more than the WR3 on any other team.

And the Bengals aren’t increasing cap space by $10M by releasing/trading Boyd. Just one more thing you’re confused about.

In this thread you doubt JC Jackson walks in the door and in another thread you discuss the Bengals signing him. Your multiple personalities’ ability to contradict each other with double speak is legendary.

And I guess you would have knowingly overpaid AJ Green last year because without his replacement on the team you’d be too scared to release him and too anxious to rely on a first round replacement.

Replacing WR3 in this offense with a late round rookie is more risky than any other offense because of how Taylor uses the WR3. And a 1st round rookie FS is less risky than a late round WR3 in this offense.

I never claimed a rookie WR3 had to be elite. I just wrote that only one outside of the Top 10 matched Boyd’s production. You’re the one that just characterized that production as elite.
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