Who is Zach Carter ?

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(05-11-2022, 12:24 PM)psychdoctor Wrote: Nice find.  In my mind Carter will be compared to Winfrey.  I think Winfrey has a better first step The Carter is more versatile he's sort of reminds me of Frosty Rucker.

There really is no comparison between them IMO.  The next few points aren't pointed directly at you Psychodocter, but more a result of the continued ill-formed narrative from several posts.

#1 - Carter almost exclusively played inside his Sr. Yr, vs. Winfrey Outside
#2 - Carter was far more productive inside, than Winfrey was outside
#3 - We exclusively saw/see him as a DT, thus many ill-informed people here and some in the media, saw him as a DE, thus the Winfrey comparisons and the poor draft grade given to the pick
#4 - Winfrey dropped like a stone because he was a Combine, Sr. Bowl work out wonder that produced LESS in college at DE, than Carter did at DT and Carter against far superior competition.  
#5 - Duke Tobin and the lead scout, in separate post draft interviews basically said most of their decisions are made from tape and interviews.  Whereas, with the combine and Sr. Bowl etc. are no more than small confirmations but never of their other conclusions.  They look at those things and add it to the data, but they will not influence big decision points.  What a player puts on tape is really all that matters to them from a skill perspective.
#5a - In other words, anyone who believes, that the combine and Sr. Bowl can "Make someone a lot of money" or can "Significantly help their draft status" just isn't paying attention to how GOOD teams actually evaluate players.  
#6 - A negative example, the #1 pick in the draft, Travon Walker, has all the measurables in the world, but he didn't have superior production on the field.  As a matter of fact, Zach Cater had extremely similar stats over the last two years playing mostly inside, vs. Walker outside, both against similar SEC competition.  Personally I think Travon is going to be a medial NFL player, and produce like he did in college with medial to low results.  When you see someone shooting up draft boards in the last two weeks before the draft, they almost never reach the potential of their pick.  It is absolutely a Jaguars type move. 

I'm not saying anything about Carter's future potential, but the comparisons to Winfrey need to stop because they were different players on the Bengals Board, regardless of what the talking heads say or said.