06-29-2022, 02:04 PM
(06-28-2022, 05:59 PM)Go Cards Wrote: Sticking with my top 3 ranking despite many disagreeing, and Joe being better than Mahomes as well.
Plus way cooler.
Rodgers, Brady, and Mahomes are all great but believe two are declining quickly.
Mahomes has benefitted from great teams despite being a great talent himself. We shall see how he does from this point forward when his teams are not quite as stacked. But I watched Burrow beat him twice while getting pummeled and Mahomes uni never even got dirty, yet Joe won both games and both were BIG games that were not overlooked by KC.
That's alright, many of the same people were arguing against me that Zac sucked last year too.
Beating their chest while pointing to records and such.
Feel the same Go Cards. Right now Joe is the QB on the rise and I don't know how anyone could argue otherwise.
Allen and Herbert are great themselves but I don't know how much better they will get. With Burrow I see records being
broken this season. Brady, Peyton, Brees, Rodgers records.
(06-28-2022, 06:28 PM)KillerGoose Wrote: Yes, it's a real possibility. Rodgers has had two seasons in his career where his offensive lines were nearly as bad as Cincinnati's and he led the Packers to the playoffs, posting better numbers in his playoff games. His defenses failed him in those two runs, averaging allowing 35 points per game. Rodgers posted an average 105 QB rating in these two playoffs. It's important to note that the Bengals defense was elite at generating turnovers in the playoffs, which was huge. Burrow played well, but the defense played fantastic as well. Of course, it isn't all QB driven so it is important to look at these factors. You also have Russell Wilson, who led his team to the Super Bowl with a line nearly as bad as Cincinnati's and he has made a career of playing well with poor lines.
So, yeah, it is completely possible that Rodgers or even Wilson could have led the Bengals to the Super Bowl last year. They both have a history of playing elite level ball behind terrible lines. Given this history, to act like no one else could possibly do it simply isn't based in reality. You may not accept this reasoning, and that's fine, we'll just disagree. I've been maintaining that I think Burrow will have a claim to #1 after this season. Arguably the best skills position in the league with a potential top flight offensive line, but he isn't there yet. Not in my mind. We need more than one full season of data from him, at minimum.
Well done bringing Russell Wilson into this discussion who HAS played great with terrible O-lines.
Russell Wilson is a great QB, always liked watching him play and think he will have a great season with the Broncos.
He needed a change badly.
(06-28-2022, 07:14 PM)PDub80 Wrote: The question isn't Who is the best QB in 2012... It's 2022. Wilson and Rodgers would have struggled mightily in Cincinnati last year behind that O line.
But, yes, we can agree that it is A ok to have different opinions, takes, and things we value or how we want to weight or view certain aspects of quarterbacking. I was basing my answer on last year - all things considered. In a vacuum or time machine and cherry picking years and best seasons... Of course, Joey B isn't going to beat out Brady, Rodgers, etc. when we look at body of work/career. In time, I agree. Maybe!
I don't know if Wilson or Rodgers would of struggled mightily but I agree that I don't think they would of been as good as Burrow
was last season with pressure. His numbers when pressured last year were insane. Pressure simply doesn't bother Joe Cool.
He might be better under pressure, the numbers even allude to such an absurd notion.
