JoeyB and the Magic Bean

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(09-11-2022, 12:27 PM)jfkbengals Wrote: Because winning games is a function of the team, not the QB alone.  Archie Manning did not win games.  It had nothing to do with him being a great QB.  It was because the Saints were a bad franchise.  Same with Stafford during the Detroit years.

And don't get me wrong, I LOVED Anderson as a QB.  I've got an autographed photo and jersey on the wall.  And I 100% think he should be in the Hall.  But if win percentage is an important stat for getting in, then Anderson is screwed if he doesn't get in before Nick Foles, Jared Goff, and Ryan Tannehill retire.  They all have better win percentages than Anderson's 52%.  And for the record, none of those guys are worthy of HOF consideration.

Except you're wrong for acting like it's a single pass/fail toggle rather than a part of the larger list. Look at Anderson...

Did he win? Yes.
Did he have good personal stats? Yes.
Did he have an MVP? Yes.
Did he win a Super Bow? No.

Now do that for Namath.

Did he win? No.
Did he have good personal stats? No.
Did he have an MVP? No.
Did he win a Super Bowl? Yes.

I never said that win PERCENTAGE is important. You added that in on your own. I just said having a losing record as a starting QB is a pretty big red flag. Doubly so when it's combined with no personal statistical excellence. 

Also, Archie Manning was 0-10 as a starter with the 2 teams he played for that weren't the Saints. The Saints went 8-8 the year after they moved on from him, he went 0-3 with 2 TD/8 INT.

Matthew Stafford isn't a Hall of Famer right now either. Maybe if he continues his good run with the Rams, but by that point he would have turned around his career record and have become a winner as well to go with his stats. 

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Either way, your original point of not using if a QB is a career winner or loser because of Anderson is wrong. Anderson is a winner, and if you're a loser, there's some problems. Namath was a career loser and had unimpressive career stats. He doesn't belong in the Hall.