World Cup 2022

[hollodero]

(12-02-2022, 12:24 PM)Dill Wrote: Walker didn't lead his team to a superbowl victory as player and then then coach another one to victory.
A horrible dumb human could not do that. 

No comparison! 

Now that is some narrow criteria applied here. My point was a bit broader, I'd say, that there's no reason to idolize former sports superstars after their career and treat them as half-gods no matter what they do. I don't think it makes much difference how much exactly said superstar achieved. Had Herschel won a SB he'd still not deserve any more respect for what he does now. Or if he had two rings. Or three. I don't think that matters at all.

As For Franz, to be nice for a change, he probably is not as stupid as Herschel Walker. But he's morally corrupt on an equal level. Bribery and stuff. And saying there can not be work slaves in Qatar for he's only seen people run around freely is not exactly a smart thing to say. And it's not a singulary incident either. Not to mention his arrogance. Or how he was a lobbyist for Gazprom.

He had success as coach, I have to give him that. But winning a WC as coach imho is not automatically a superhuman achievement. He had the good players. He got lucky too - two english players scoring in a penalty shootout instead of failing in the semis, and Germany might have lost and Beckenbauer might have never gotten the image of being a genius coach. And a nation's head coach has limited options anyway, imho not even remotely comparable to a football coach. Nope, that to me does not make him untouchable either.

That he was a particularly gifted player, that I will not deny, of course.

(12-02-2022, 12:24 PM)Dill Wrote: Hmmm. Led Germany to 3rd place in the 2006 WC, was Concacaf Coach of the year in 2013. 

We're talking about JUERGEN Klinsman, right? The guy from Stuttgart, now a naturalized Ami living in CA?

Yeah. As coach failed with Bayern Munich, recently failed spectacularly with Hertha Berlin. He had one good year as US coach, later not so much, finally sacked after a 0-4 against Costa Rica. Had one good WC with Germany, sure. That's his resumé. Does that make him a brilliant coach, imho nope. Especially since he usually came with a ton of spectacular ideas and concepts that then backfired or never came to pass. In short, often over his head.

Good player, sure. Possibly not unlikeable, at least in comparison. I wouldn't have said much about him if you hadn't insisted anyway.