07-20-2023, 11:24 PM
(07-20-2023, 10:39 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: You’re my boy, Truck but Larkin as the greatest Red of all time is absolutely wild.
Far and away the best defensive SS in team history, HoFer, multiple GG winner, IIRC, he won the SS *9* times and a 30/30 season.
Sorry you disagree, but Larkin would have started at SS on every team in the league for almost his entire career (his first two and final 4, of 19 years, so 13 of them), save for ARod and Nomar's peak years and that's a fact.
Even at Rose's best, he would've started for maybe half the teams in the league at whatever position he played that respective year.
(07-20-2023, 10:30 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Major League records:
Most career at-bats – 14,053
Most career plate appearances – 15,890
Most career hits – 4,256
Most career singles – 3,215
Most career times on base – 5,929
Most career games played – 3,562
Most career winning games played – 1,972
Only player to play at least 500 games at five different positions – 1B (939), LF (671), 3B (634), 2B (628), RF (595)
Most career runs by a switch hitter – 2,165
Most career doubles by a switch hitter – 746
Most career walks by a switch hitter – 1,566
Most career total bases by a switch hitter – 5,752
Most seasons of 200 or more hits – 10 (shared)
Most consecutive seasons of 100 or more hits – 23
Most consecutive seasons with 600 or more at-bats – 13 (1968–1980) (shared)
Most seasons with 600 at-bats – 17
Most seasons with 150 or more games played – 17
Most seasons with 100 or more games played – 23
Not even Top 50 your facts and stats say?
65th in career WAR, after playing 254 MORE games in his career than the next closest person Carl Yastrzemski and 518 more games than the next closest person in hits (Cobb).
What does Rose have over Yaz to show for it? More runs, hits, doubles and triples. All stats that go up, the more you play.
That's it. Yaz obliterates him in everything, even walks!
The ONLY PEOPLE on the planet that would take a prime Pete Rose over Yaz any time, are homers that are Reds fans, that's it
I'm truly baffled that with all of the hard data and metrics in 2023, people are still arguing about Rose being a top 50 player, with counting stats that he solely achieved due to how much he played; I mean really, how do you play THAT long and you're still 65th in WAR?
Absolutely baffling.
Kinda like how Gordie Howe was NEVER considered the best hockey player ever, 'cause he played for 9,000 years.