02-15-2024, 05:02 PM
(02-15-2024, 04:24 PM)BengalYankee Wrote: Sorry to confuse with the multiple facts that I have provided, so I will keep this fairly short.
I don't think I am the one confused here, Yankee. I'd cut down on the snark lol. I am largely agreeing with what you say. I don't know what you're arguing at this point but you keep going.
Quote:Subtracting the 4 years of Otto with the team the NFL Commissioner stated was "the greatest team in NFL history", those were not my words but someone who knew football at the time better then you or I.
So lets give Otto 6 years of which he won 3 NFL Championships. That still makes him one of the best of all time. Since you discount the AAFC as a minor league to the NFL, sort of like the minor leagues of MLB, then Otto won as a rookie in 1950. The same as a baseball player playing in minor league ball before he is called up to play in the majors.
Yeah, Otto is one of the all-time greats. I agree with you. I've said that multiple times. He just isn't THE greatest.
Quote:My girl Caitlin Clark is about to break the record of Lynette Woodard of college basketball, however when Woodard played there were no 3 pointers. The idea of this era counts more then yesteryear is debateable.
I have never said it counts more. I have said two very clear things.
- Winning is much harder to do in the modern era with significantly more teams, free agency, trading, modern athlete pool etc. There is more parity.
- The eras are so different, it is almost pointless to compare them.
Quote:The Packers have 13 World Champions, Montreal of the NHL have 24 Titles even though they started with a six team league and Otto has 3 NFL Championships in 6 years and Brady has 7 in 22 years.
Those are all awesome achievements. However, winning your titles in the modern era is more difficult to do which is why people tend to have a little bit of recency bias on these topics. That doesn't mean that historical titles are worth less, they are still titles. However, you're going to find that people aren't going to view them as prestigiously as they do a modern title. This isn't a unique perspective.
The Browns and Otto Graham were undeniably the GOATs of their era. I think that is a very fair way to leave it.
