The Force Awakens spoiler thread

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(01-08-2016, 11:04 PM)RoyleRedlegs Wrote: It seems a running issue is that people still can't comprehend that Kylo is nowhere near Vader levels. He's much more like Luke was in ESB. 
He was told to capture not kill her, he just took a shot from Chewie to the gut, killed his own dad and fought Finn...safe to say he might not be at his peak. 

It seems the issue is people like you thinking that just because Kylo isn't near Vader's level means that an UNTRAINED force user was still able to defeat him.

No he didn't want to kill her, but that doesn't mean he couldn't subdue her.  I mean, he just killed Finn (oh wait, Lightsabers couldn't slice Finn in half in these new movies, which is issue with the movie), he just defeated Finn, so subduing another novice force user shouldn't be that difficult.

Mary Sue, Rey, is a boring character with the way they made her too good.  I mean, she is going to be taking out Death Stars with just her pinky in the next movies.

Question for you.  If Ren is more like Luke was in ESB and not near Vader's level,  then what comparison do you give Rey?  If you say she is like Luke in ANH, then ask yourself, could Luke in ESB defeat the Luke in ANH?