Ranking all players on the roster prior to 2025 off season

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(5 hours ago)CJD Wrote: That's my feeling as well. I think Hilton has been great, and I think he had periods of greatness this year, but I also think he is likely not in the long term plans of this team because he is getting older and has already shown a significant decline in one of his major duties.


The problem with PFF absolutism is that it lacks a ton of context. By your logic, Amarius Mims is a garbage can player because his overall rating is 57.8. Barely any better than Iosivas. I'm not sure why you aren't arguing about his placement in the top 8. Is it just because you like Mims but have a bone to pick with Iosivas? It may be true that Iosivas does not win as often as he should and that's why he doesn't get a ton of targets. It might also be true that he is just the 4th or 5th option on a team with a bunch of super star receivers. 

I think PFF is a great tool to use when evaluating players, but I don't think it's the only thing to look at. When I watch Iosivas, I see a young player who is growing in his role and abilities. He may not be a finished product, but he has potential and he will be on this team continuing to grow for the next 2 years, at a minimum. 

When I look at Hilton, I see an aging player who has had his role reduced over time and who is a free agent and may not even be on the team next year, not for budgetary reasons but simply because the team decided to move on from him. Re-signing him would not break the bank by any means, but we still may not because his usefulness is limited and versatility, beyond availability, is one of the most valuable abilities a player can have in the NFL.

I already said the fall off after Gesicki is precipitous, so me putting Iosivas at #11 is not me saying he's a star player who we need to increase the role of. It's me saying this roster has a severe lack of talent such that a role player whose main purpose right now is red zone targets is somehow the 11th best player on this roster. We need to have some actually good drafts to inject some talent into this roster such that Iosivas falls to ~20 to 25 where a player of his caliber belongs.

It's not absolutism at all and I provided other facts that back up my statement.  When a guy is literally graded the worst at his position by a neutral source, I think some pause needs to be given as to why he's determined as the #11 player on the Bengals.

Mims is too high, as well.  I mean, there's major issues all over this list, but a guy who should be around 20th at 8 is not as bad as a guy who should be 35th or so at 11.  Also, your question was who should Hilton be ranked above and Yoshi is literally the next player up the list, drawing immediate attention to him.

Your basis for this list was to list the players from best to worst.  Yoshi having potential and Hilton being on the decline has zero bearing on which is currently better.