Grade the current (last 5 years) FO

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(Yesterday, 03:25 PM)ochocincos Wrote: Bengals haven't been "good" in nearly 3 years now.
Good, to me, is deep playoff run.
Making playoffs is not good, it's minimum expectation to being ok. 14 teams out of 32 (43.75%) make the playoffs.

With that said, some people like going to the games even if the team is doing poorly. Tailgating and the football atmosphere are fun for them, regardless whether the team wins or loses.

There's a lot of new for this 2025 team compared to the previous years.
New DC, new position coaches, some new (mid-tier) FAs, few draft picks (some more risk-reward than others).
Some folks naturally are more positive when it comes to new and the unknown, some are more hesitant until they can see it with their own eyes.

I can understand why different people look at the exact same thing and vary on whether something is good or not. It's all subjective and up to the expectations they want to set for themselves.

Yeah, see to me, "good" is a one and done playoff team.  Like, the '11-'15 teams were good.  Deep playoff runs would be great and a conference championship is excellent.  

So when I'm looking at it, '20  was bad,  '23-'24 were average to slightly above average(still 9-8 and a winning record despite missing the playoffs), '22 was great, and '21 excellent.