Cam wins a playoff game and enters Super Bowl before we do under XXXX.

[wolfkaosaun]

(01-25-2016, 06:49 AM)Sovereign Nation Wrote: Really?  I am "very wrong". 

Then you go on to say that Cam USED to be a 1 read QB, but "got better" this season? 

He didn't get better, the OC did better by masking his biggest weakness.  He is still a 1 read QB, haven't seen any video evidence to change that.  Every once is a while, when a play breaks down, he might see an open WR late and throw to him, but that is hardly reading the defenses and going through his progressions.

When the OC draws up plays that have different primary targets for each play, it isn't so easy to read that for defenses.  For instance one play, Ginn is the primary target, the next, Kory Brown, then Ginn again, then Olsen.  This gives the illusion that Cam is reading the defenses and is spreading the ball around, but in reality it is the play call.  Once Cam holds the ball for 4 seconds, he takes off running.

I said when the talk of Cam being MVP first started, a Meme was created that compared their stats.  How accurate, who knows, however I did find this...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/newton-and-kaepernick-are-basically-the-same-player-except-for-the-record-1446593659

Now another thing to address.  The talent around Newton is far from scrub level.  Ginn was a 1st round pick and while he isn't AJ Green, he isn't Greg Little either.  Funchess may be a rookie, but he was still a highly rated WR and has played as good as Sanu did his rookie season. Olsen is a 1st round TE, and has played as such, Stewart is a 1st round RB.

OLine?- He has a 1st rounder (Oher), 2nd rounder (Kalil), 3rd rounder (Trai Turner)

Add in Ed Dickson a 3rd round TE, and guys like Crotchery (who is a vet and has played for some good teams) and Philly Brown, and he has talent around him. 

Newton is far from doing it all himself. 

Funny, those years that Carolina didn't make the playoffs, everyone said they needed a defense.  They finally get the defense, and everyone claims it is Cam that makes the Panthers successful.  If Cam was so good, then why didn't he lead his team to the playoffs and even win in them, before last year?

The Panthers have had a much easier schedule this year.  AFCS - NFCS - NFCE, plus a struggling Seahawks and GB teams, they were able to win the games in front of them, which they couldn't control, but their path was not nearly as tough as some of the other teams in the league.  Denver has actually had a tougher path to the SB.

Then both of the teams they have had to face had to travel from the west coast to play them in the playoffs?  Seriously?  It would be highly embarrassing for them if they didn't make the SB.

He got better as his seasons progressed. Look at the difference between Kaepernick and Newton. Kaepernick is still a 1 read player and still struggled immensely. Newton has matured over the seasons.

So, you just said that Ginn is a primary target, and then Newton has to go through his progressions before he runs. You literally just said that. And if Newton only did that, defenses would have a much easier time beating him and figuring out his tendencies. He looked to another receiver? Get ready for him to run.

I'm not signing in to a site when I can look at the stats right on ESPN.

Ginn has never played like a 1st round WR. He's a bust. He's only eclipsed 500 receiving yards 3 times since 2007. And only had more than 700 yards twice. Never eclipsed  790 yards. Only reason he's had a decent season is BECAUSE of Newton. Ginn has a case of the drops too.

Devin Funchess was a tight end who converted to a WR. Almost half of his yards came in the last game.

You're putting too much emphasis on where people were drafted, rather than how they've played. Cam is the MVP because he played the best in the league. Period. And it wasn't the talent around him on offense. It was all him and Stewart. They're all pretty average receivers, and you can't even deny that. They have speed, but no one is going to out-muscle for a catch or make an incredible diving catch or be the best route runner.

It's not just Cam, but if he's not on that offense there's no way they're 15-1. Dominant defense, but Newton adds a dynamic that no one else does.

They beat a Texans team the Bengals lost to. They beat an Eagles team the Patriots lost to. They beat a Colts team the Broncos lost to. They destroyed the Cardinals and beat the Seahawks twice. Meanwhile I'm sure you were just as excited when the Bengals beat them. They were no push overs.

Don't even give the "west coast teams traveling" bull crap. Teams have to travel to the west coast too. That has little to no effect on the games in all actuality.

Cam Newton is much better than you give him credit for. He has average weapons outside of Olsen. He is that offense. Just because you think the offense is simple, doesn't mean it is. If that were the case, teams would be able to shut down Newton like they used to.

Plus, I'd rather trust other actual NFL analysts and experts rather than a Wall Street article from a guy who really only talks Fantasy Football rather than actual game tape. I mean, he talked about Adrian Peterson no longer being AD and basically being washed up: http://rotoviz.com/2015/11/adrian-peterson-is-no-longer-ad-michael-salfino-rotoviz-radio-92/

Funny how one had a 3:1 TD to INT ratio with 10 more rushing yards and became MVP. And the other led the league in rushing and tied for the most rushing TDs this season. Oh. And Newton was right behind him.