Thoughts on Dre K ?

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(03-17-2016, 02:58 PM)fredtoast Wrote: You are correct.

I was relying on the stats from back in the season when I first saw this argument.  At that time Talib had more penalties than Dre.  But they ended up with almost exactly the same number.  Dre had 13 and Talib had 12.


So while I was wrong about Talib having more penalties than Dre my point still stands.  Penalties are a stupid way to judge CBs unless you think Talib sucks

I deleted my post on the above.

I don't think it's stupid when you look at the type of penalties they are.

In the first game in Oakland this past season the Bengals had the Raiders stopped and were given a first down because of Dre K celebrating. They scored a TD off of that because of the penalty. While that is a boneheaded type of penalty, I don't count that when I consider quality of play. That happened AFTER a play. Just like when Burfict led the NFL in penalties in 2013 (I think). Only, like, 3 or something were actually during a play.

Talib is a really good CB. With Dre Kirk it is the totality of it. I'll buy a PFF membership so we can hash out the stats and get down to it.

I don't care about being right. I care about getting it right. I think that will be the only place with stats like what you are wanting to see. To me, it comes down to paying him for what he is after 5 years in the league vs. projecting what Shaw (whom I think will be a great player) or Dennard will be and drafting a CB early on top of them as well.