Real reason why Hue left

[Benton]

(04-10-2016, 10:26 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: So the Browns averaged a new HC every 2 years and 1.5 starting QBs per year.

The Bengals averaged a new HC every 2.5 years and 1.2 starting QBs over the 10 year span I mentioned.

Seems like we're splitting hairs here.

Hollas— 4th round. Didn't remember the guy, no idea how he started two games in two years, but I'm guessing injury. 
Wilhelm — 3rd round. Injury backup.
Schroeder — Free agent. Honestly, I don't remember this guy starting either as he had three games in his one season.
Klinger— 1st round. A bust for the spot.
Blake— Free agent (was originally a 6th round). To get two years starting out of him, Blake was fun.
Boomer — Is Boomer. Was one of our best QBs, especially at that time. If management had handled it better, we might have done better.
O'Donell— Free agent. Didn't do much.
Justin — Free agent. Didn't do much.
Akili— Busted so hard fans still shake their head.
Mitchell— Didn't do much.
Gus— Didn't do much
Kitna— Did pretty well.
Palmer— Did pretty well

That's our worst 16 years. Two first round busts, three total first rounders if you count Boomer. Mostly free agents.

For the Browns you've got....
Couch— 1st round, bust. (Although, I think Couch could have been a good QB if he wasn't abused by every defense)
Detmer— FA, injury backup
Spergon — 6th round. Didn't do much
Pederson — FA, didn't do much.
Holcomb — FA, didn't do much
Luke McCown — 4th, didn't do much
Garcia— FA, one of their better QBs.... so of course they only kept him around a season
Frye— 3rd round. Pretty fry for a white guy... just kidding, he didn't do anything
Dilfer— FA, is Dilfer.
Anderson— FA sixth rounder who played like one.
Quinn— 1st round. Bust. Single digit wins as a starter over two years.
Dorsey. FA, didn't do much
Gradkowski — FA. Forgot he even played there.
Seneca — traded for 7th rounder. Meh.
Delhomme— Good once, meh there.
Colt McCoy— 3rd round. Didn't do much, but not bad for a third rounder.
Thad Lewis — FA. Who? Dunno. Started a game, but I don't remember it.
Weeden— 22nd overall pick.
Hoyer— FA, meh
Campbell — Meh
Shaw— UDFA, meh
Manziel — 22nd overall. Not there now.
Davis — Meh
McCown— Meh.

24 QBs in 16 years. We had 13 in our roughest 16 year stretch. We're probably about even on first round busts, or just bad picks overall as most of theirs came from FA or trades. Still... I'm not seeing our worst 16 years being so even with theirs. In our worst 16 years, we had 4 head coaches (Shula, Coslet, LeBeau, Marvin). In theirs, 9.

If you're just looking at 10 years, it's still 17-12 on QBs and 3 (Shula, Coslet, Lebeau) to 5 on head coaches (7 if you look at 2014-2004 instead of 2015-2005).

But those are numbers. Even if you put those aside, I do not see where Cleveland is making any growth. Maybe it's because I've got rose colored glasses, but outside of the first few years after Sam, I thought we were moving in the right direction. We still stunk a lot, but we had some things we were doing right. Looking at the Browns in few year increments, or over the long-term, I just don't really see anything positive.