Real reason why Hue left

[Shake n Blake]

(04-11-2016, 11:19 AM)Benton Wrote: Hollas— 4th round. Didn't remember the guy, no idea how he started two games in two years, but I'm guessing injury. 
Wilhelm — 3rd round. Injury backup.
Schroeder — Free agent. Honestly, I don't remember this guy starting either as he had three games in his one season.
Klinger— 1st round. A bust for the spot.
Blake— Free agent (was originally a 6th round). To get two years starting out of him, Blake was fun.
Boomer — Is Boomer. Was one of our best QBs, especially at that time. If management had handled it better, we might have done better.
O'Donell— Free agent. Didn't do much.
Justin — Free agent. Didn't do much.
Akili— Busted so hard fans still shake their head.
Mitchell— Didn't do much.
Gus— Didn't do much
Kitna— Did pretty well.
Palmer— Did pretty well

That's our worst 16 years. Two first round busts, three total first rounders if you count Boomer. Mostly free agents.

For the Browns you've got....
Couch— 1st round, bust. (Although, I think Couch could have been a good QB if he wasn't abused by every defense)
Detmer— FA, injury backup
Spergon — 6th round. Didn't do much
Pederson — FA, didn't do much.
Holcomb — FA, didn't do much
Luke McCown — 4th, didn't do much
Garcia— FA, one of their better QBs.... so of course they only kept him around a season
Frye— 3rd round. Pretty fry for a white guy... just kidding, he didn't do anything
Dilfer— FA, is Dilfer.
Anderson— FA sixth rounder who played like one.
Quinn— 1st round. Bust. Single digit wins as a starter over two years.
Dorsey. FA, didn't do much
Gradkowski — FA. Forgot he even played there.
Seneca — traded for 7th rounder. Meh.
Delhomme— Good once, meh there.
Colt McCoy— 3rd round. Didn't do much, but not bad for a third rounder.
Thad Lewis — FA. Who? Dunno. Started a game, but I don't remember it.
Weeden— 22nd overall pick.
Hoyer— FA, meh
Campbell — Meh
Shaw— UDFA, meh
Manziel — 22nd overall. Not there now.
Davis — Meh
McCown— Meh.

24 QBs in 16 years. We had 13 in our roughest 16 year stretch. We're probably about even on first round busts, or just bad picks overall as most of theirs came from FA or trades. Still... I'm not seeing our worst 16 years being so even with theirs. In our worst 16 years, we had 4 head coaches (Shula, Coslet, LeBeau, Marvin). In theirs, 9.

If you're just looking at 10 years, it's still 17-12 on QBs and 3 (Shula, Coslet, Lebeau) to 5 on head coaches (7 if you look at 2014-2004 instead of 2015-2005).

But those are numbers. Even if you put those aside, I do not see where Cleveland is making any growth. Maybe it's because I've got rose colored glasses, but outside of the first few years after Sam, I thought we were moving in the right direction. We still stunk a lot, but we had some things we were doing right. Looking at the Browns in few year increments, or over the long-term, I just don't really see anything positive.

Our dark age didn't last 16 years though. It lasted 12. So you're including 4 years of Marv's tenure when we're talking about how bad the Bengals were before Marv.

Are the Browns really that much worse for having 5 more starting QBs and 1 more HC in a 10 year stretch? (Wyche was fired after 1991 so I include him because 1991 was the beginning of the bad stretch) Especially when many of these QBs only started a game or 2? It just seems silly to me. We all watched the Bengals in the 90's and they were every bit as dysfunctional as any team in NFL history, including these Browns. 

You say you don't see any growth, but I didn't see any growth from the Bengals until they hired Marvin. I had a really good feeling about Marv when we hired him. I also felt better about Palmer than any QB we'd drafted. Chad and several young players showed promise. 

I'd say Browns fans probably feel the same way about Hue. Carson Wentz looks like a solid prospect. RGIII is the most promising vet they've had in years and could probably play the Kitna role. They have some solid young players, especially if Gordon continues to keep his nose clean.  

I'll end by saying this. Everyone trashes the Browns for not keeping HC's long enough, but which ones really deserved 5 years? When we hired Marvin, he turned 2-14 into 8-8. Almost immediately, you could feel the difference. Butch Davis and Romeo Crennel are the only guys who coached the Browns to winning records. Davis had a solid start (16-16) but followed it by going 8-19 over the next 2 seasons. Crennel was terrible for 2 years (10-22), had a fluke 10-6 season, then followed it with a 4-12 season. They deserved to be fired. They all have, really.