04-11-2016, 01:58 PM
(04-11-2016, 01:40 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Carson was not pre-Lewis, and neither were almost all of the players on the '05 team that finally made the playoffs.
The '05 offense had only 4 players that started in '02 (Willie Anderson, Rich Braham, Levi Jones, Chad Johnson). TJ and Rudi were on the team, but even if you count them that is only about half of the offense (6 of 11)
The '05 defense only had TWO player who started in '02 (Justin Smith,,Brian Simmons)
It is absurd to claim that "most" of the contributors to the '05 Division title team were "pre-Marvin"
Again, we were taking Carson regardless. That had nothing to do with Marvin.
Rudi, 01
Henry, 05
TJ, 01
Chad, 01
Willie, 96
Braham, 94
Andrews, 04
Levi, 02
Willams, 04
Yeah. Marvin.
I'll let it go. If people want to think the team building that started in 2000ish was Marvin and the Browns are on a similar track, go for it. I just don't see it, on either one. I think it was Tobin and having a stable organization in place.