Real reason why Hue left

[Shake n Blake]

(04-11-2016, 01:04 PM)Benton Wrote: Chad and Carson were pre-Lewis. So was the most contributors of the 2005 team. Carson, Chad, TJ, Willie, Braham, Levi, Rudi. All those pieces were in place. Odell and Chris were the only contributors that year I can think of that Marvin drafted. To me, the organization was already doing things right 4-5 years before Marvin was doing anything.

2001 was really a good starting point. We started drafting well, we started getting some decent FAs. I think the biggest contributor to that was a couple years earlier when we hired Duke Tobin, but that didn't show up for a while. Not until Marvin was already in place as head coach. Honestly I think with Tobin and staff doing things a lot better, most coaches would have had similar success to Marvin.

And that's the problem with the Browns. I can't say what coach deserved 5 years. None of them have had a situation like Marvin walked into, one where scouting and drafting were improving to the point we were drafting quality players and there was already a plan in place. The coaches and QBs of the Browns reflect the institutional problem. You had Farmer and Haslam for two years, Lombardi and Haslam for a year, Eckhart and Haslam for a year, Eckhart and the previous owner for two years, who also had Savage and another guy. Four or five general managers, two owners. There's a lot of different directions to build a team around.

I've actually been saying the same thing about Tobin the last couple days, so obviously I agree with you - but it's not like those things were totally obvious when Marv took the job. we can only say that now with the benefit of hindsight.

Chad, TJ, Rudi, etc were still pretty green going into 2003. Unlike Fred though, I don't think Marv made those players. I also think it's silly to act like Marv flipped the whole team over in 2 years. He didn't. He inherited the core.

All I've been trying to say is that - to Hue - the Browns current sitch probably doesn't look any worse than the sitch Marv walked into, on the surface. Only time will tell.