04-14-2016, 06:47 PM
(04-14-2016, 05:59 PM)fredtoast Wrote: But the fact that Dungy did not win a Super Bowl in Tampa bay does not mean he would never win a Super Bowl.
Just like you can speculate that Marvin will never win a playoff game, but there is nor proof that is the case.
If Marvin coached the Bengals to 10 more playoff losses and got fired, there would be no proof that he wouldn't have won on his 18th try.
When do you draw the line?
(04-14-2016, 06:13 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Sure he was. But compare Dungy at Tampa Bay to Gruden at Tampa Bay.
Dungy...... .563 win%.....made playoffs 4 of 6 years
Gruden..... .509 win%.....made playoffs 3 of 7 years
Simple answer for that: The core of players (drafted by Sam Wyche) that helped the Bucs have all that success got old.
Neither Gruden nor Dungy can take credit for those players, but it was Gruden who helped get them over the hump.
The training, nutrition, medicine, fitness, playbooks and rules evolve. The athlete does not.
